Boris Johnson landslide, Corbyn quits as election leader

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^This thread is going significantly off topic.

JohnPowell perhaps a separate thread in PPR could be started so as to allow for the dissection and debate of personal preferences.

I mean am I going to have to anticipate entering into a off topic derailing debate with you about my preferences while intending to have a discussion about the news that impacts on me? I'm not up for that... I'd likely not post here at all.

Yes I made a post about this thread being off topic in the WP forum under mod help,no one listened.

Personal preferences of how people wanted THIS ELECTION to go?

The far left own this election result. The pompous, nauseatingly righteous, bullying arse holes who purport to be left wing defenders of social justice but idolise the anti-democratic EU. The TERFs. The Jew-hating apologists for Islamic terror. The staggeringly un-self-aware Momentum FASCISTS who call everyone else fascists and Nazi pigs. YOU did this, COMRADES.

Per head, you did more to achieve this result than simply putting an X in a box next to the Tory candidate.

You'll find that the people you appear to describe there might call Israel naughty when they blow children up but they'll be on your side when smearing those who are against child murder.

John, you are once again, behaving badly.

Right. So the openly racist Bojo the clown and his elitist billionaire trustfund friends get to run the country again. Because you guys bought the character assassination of a lifelong devoted anti-racist activist via antisemitism allegation.
As long as the city is a state within a state, coordinating the tax-fraud via overseas territories, I wouldn't call what the Brits are doing democracy, as in, rule of the people.

The left's main issue appears to be that they base their decisions\policies around what the highly populated areas want (and what the vocal online groups want), ignoring the vast majority of the country they are in. This results in them getting high vote counts, yet low geographical coverage for these votes and hence low number of seats (ie: popular vote Vs electoral college).

The strange part of this is that although the left are the party for the "working class", there is generally a very low percentage of voters who are working class in the areas in which they win\focus.

In Australia (and it probably applies to the US as well) there is gerrymandering where electoral boundaries were originally drawn so that landholders who traditionally vote conservative had voting rights out of proportion to their actual representation. So regional/rural areas with strong support for the liberal/national coalition exert greater influence in terms of voting power compared to densely populated urban areas where the working class congregate.

If the election system was fair it would be based on one person one vote. Then the conservative would never be in power. In the UK they have the House of Lords (old aristocrats) who hold the balance of power to knock back legislation, In Australia and the US gerrymandering gives wealthy landowners collective power to influence the outcome of elections beyond their numbers resulting in conservative governments like Scott Morrison in Australia and Donald Trump in the US winning elections they should not have.

I think Krystal Ball and Saagar Enjeti have a good analysis of why Corbyn lost. They say it's because a lot of working-class Brits had the impression that he hated them, and that he took no clear stand on Brexit:



They say there are warnings for the left in this as well. Statements like "the deplorables" and favoring abolishing immigration enforcement are total mistakes. On the contrary, they say, things like the NHS and Medicare-For-All are by no means election losers, but they won't work if voters get the impression you're just buying them off when you hate them.

The "left" seems out of options.

Western countries have mega high debts, high taxes, low interest rates, inflated currencies.

at least in amuuuurica, it is false to say the left is out of options, the right wants the working class to believe that while it is robbing them blind via tax giveaways to billionaires and outright waste/fraud/abuse in the hospital medical complex/MICC. we could reverse the tax giveaways and pare down the MICC [not to mention the "black budget"] and still have plenty of guns AND butter.

As usual on point Blabs!

I do wonder whether billionaires expenditure on wasteful purchases/services via ill-gotten tax evasion is really the pinnacle of neo-liberal social evolution.

Probably not ...but hey! let's vote for them to lead us

Boris might well be a racist clown, but he's the only party leader who promised to implement democracy.

Do you know what 'democracy' means? The majority of Brits do not wish to be ruled by an unelected bureaucracy in a foreign country. There was a referendum on the matter. In a functioning democracy, the pro-Fourth Reich mob's opinions should have been irrelevant following that referendum, but too many people decided that democracy is only something worth supporting when voting goes their way, and that in itself guaranteed Boris a majority.

There's been no character assassination of Corbyn and McDonnell. If anything, the media have been remarkably restrained about their history of fraternisation with the IRA and also Islamo-fascists who openly spout murderous intent towards not only Jews and LGBTQ+ people, but everybody who supports a free world.

I'm not sure where you pulled your information about Australian electoral boundaries (You obviously don't live in Australia to be making the claims which you did), but wherever it may have been seems to be a very misleading source. I'd suggest you have a look at the AEC website regarding electorates and redistributions.

To put this simply and to clear up misapprehensions which your claims made, in Australia all electorates are designed to have a close as possible to the same number of voters, and designed around the same geographical area (So blobs, rather than stretched out (except where needed due to state borders, geographical features, etc.). In fact, having a look at the "What criteria are used to draw the boundaries of electoral divisions" at https://www.aec.gov.au/FAQs/Redistributions.htm would be a good place to go to in order to clarify how this works.

In order to have electorates function the way you think they do/should, you would need long "wedges" stretching from the inner city (where most "greens" voters live[1]) and widening as they approach the borders of the state, causing both a dilution of the votes for minor parties such as the greens (and so likely preventing winning any seats in an election), as well as breaking up communities rather than bringing them together[2].

As regards your claim of one person one vote being fairer, in Australia, using the 2 party preferred results (best approximation available for conservative/progressive preferences), the conservatives won the 2019 federal election 51.53% to 48.47% [3].

On a side note, land ownership has no impact on electorates or voting power in Australia, as voting is based on where you live, with each person having a single vote in the electorate in which they live, which as noted above are all designed to have approximately the same population within each state.

[1] I've always wondered why "greens" voters (at least in Australia) seem to congregate in areas as separate from the bush/wilds which they try to manage/control as is possible. I can't understand why they don't just buy up the properties/business in these areas and move there, giving them direct control rather than setting rules/regulations for areas which they aren't willling to live or work in, and people who they do not wish to live in a community with.

[2] Another thing I've noticed is that conservative areas generally have a good community structiure, where if someone gets into trouble their neighbours/community will spontaneously get together to support them, whereas the more progressive areas need to have community organisers.

[3] https://results.aec.gov.au/24310/Websit ... 10-NAT.htm