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03 Apr 2020, 3:23 pm
sly279 wrote:
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Bravo5150 wrote:
I don't understand which way you are bringing up "Net Loss". I see two different ways to question it?
The way that 3M officials raised it to trump when they informed him that if they keep American production of their masks within the USA and don’t supply Canada or Latin America, and in return Canada and Latin America decide to withhold our production of masks from the USA (seems reasonable, no?) then the USA will have a Net Loss of N95 masks because more N95 masks enter the USA from Canada and Latin American production than get shipped to both destinations by the USA.
trump’s dangerous game of trade wars with medical equipment could result in American doctors having fewer N95 masks to use than they have access to right now - which makes it not only a dick move to his closest trading partners, but a massive slap across the face to his own people
Net Loss like that. The kind that would result in more American doctors and nurses dying, not fewer.
If Canada is making their own mask with enough surplus to sell in other country’s so they could cut supply, why do need the us mask?
There’s no information in this article or 3M’s press briefing about how many masks Canada makes vs Canadian demand for them so I can’t answer your question.
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03 Apr 2020, 3:30 pm
sly279 wrote:
“Trump needs to use the defense production act”
Trump uses production act
“How dare he do that”
Trump uses production act
“How dare he do that”
To order American manufactures to produce masks Now vs waste time negotiating prices and timelines, not to anger the entire world/every country that conducts trade with the USA.
Mark my words: trump’s extremely short sighted attempts at “America First,” w/ regards to N95 masks (even if it hurts America as they are a Net Importer of N95’s) will Not soon be forgotten by anyone around the world. This single trade issue is going to affect trade relations for generations. Avoid “made on China,” ? Lol now it’s going to be avoid “made in USA,” because your president is trying to f**k doctors and nurses all over he world in an attempt to mitigate the crisis situation that’s only as bad as it is in America because he was months late to respond appropriately to it.
That is not going to be just My, Canada’s & Latin America’s, take on it. Everyone the world over has seen how he’s treating others and it’s going to have a lasting affect whether Americans realize it now or not.
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03 Apr 2020, 3:33 pm
IsabellaLinton wrote:
sly279 wrote:
“Trump needs to use the defense production act”
Trump uses production act
“How dare he do that”
Trump uses production act
“How dare he do that”
I suppose he has a right to use the Defence Production Act, but he has to realise its implications.
He imports medical aid from other countries and there will be trade repercussions against America.
Perhaps India has a Defence Production Act too, and they need to protect their citizens.
It's their right as much as his.
Trump blacklisted Indian medication imports many years ago, but now he's begging for it ... while he screws Canada.
Epic fail.
Yep.
All of our economies are interconnected. trump seems to think he can have his cake and eat it, too. Trade is good when the USA can sell stuff at a profit or buy stuff cheap, but f**k everyone else when trump wants or needs something. Very short sighted & definitely an epic fail.
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03 Apr 2020, 3:38 pm
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I think the solution is to build lots of protective gear & send it everywhere.
Trump seems deluded enough to be thinking that a virus is prejudiced the same way Americans are.
Trump seems deluded enough to be thinking that a virus is prejudiced the same way Americans are.
Yep!
Canada would be foolish to stockpile all domestic N95 production vs send some to American hotspots where it’s needed Right Now because beating this thing there means slowing & limiting the spread across the border. We’re far too integrated into each other’s economies to completely go it alone - much the same as state vs state within the USA, our countries within the EU or Asia. We all trade. We all breathe the same air. We all visit each other’s countries etc. It has to be a global cooperative effort. Richer countries must support poorer ones in their mitigation efforts, too, or C-19 will rage on amongst the global poor and continue spreading back to wealthier areas again and again. Public health is dictated by the health of the lowest socioeconomic status, not the highest.
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03 Apr 2020, 4:14 pm
sly279 wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
sly279 wrote:
“Trump needs to use the defense production act”
Trump uses production act
“How dare he do that”
Trump uses production act
“How dare he do that”
To order American manufactures to produce masks Now vs waste time negotiating prices and timelines, not to anger the entire world/every country that conducts trade with the USA.
Mark my words: trump’s extremely short sighted attempts at “America First,” w/ regards to N95 masks (even if it hurts America as they are a Net Importer of N95’s) will Not soon be forgotten by anyone around the world. This single trade issue is going to affect trade relations for generations. Avoid “made on China,” ? Lol now it’s going to be avoid “made in USA,” because your president is trying to f**k doctors and nurses all over he world in an attempt to mitigate the crisis situation that’s only as bad as it is in America because he was months late to respond appropriately to it.
That is not going to be just My, Canada’s & Latin America’s, take on it. Everyone the world over has seen how he’s treating others and it’s going to have a lasting affect whether Americans realize it now or not.
That’s not how laws work.
The defense act is designed to make goods for ———>USA<——- war time needs, so when it’s used it makes companies produce stuff for the USA only. Wouldn’t make sense to say make ford make tanks and have them sell it to Canada. No we want ford to make tanks so us Troops. get tanks to fight.
So maybe you all shouldn’t demanded he use it. It’s nit set pit for global production and supPly it’s set up to support USA during war. Expecting it do do anything else is just crazy.
Maybe once our needs are met we can send surplus out like we have in past.
Do you need to be reminded that in war the United States has allies?
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03 Apr 2020, 4:16 pm
USA accused of modern act of piracy over hijacking N95’s meant for German Police:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/03/mask-wars-coronavirus-outbidding-demand?CMP=share_btn_fb
Like I said, the world will Not soon forget this day and this single traded item - N95’s - is going to influence America’s global trade for generations.
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03 Apr 2020, 4:21 pm
kraftiekortie wrote:
Trump looks like a real ass when he does these sorts of things.
The world should cooperate in this.
This is no time for isolationism.
The world should cooperate in this.
This is no time for isolationism.
<3
Ditto on Canada and Trudeau. Some here, mainly trump supporting conservatives, criticize Trudeau for sending PPE to China early on in this crisis instead of keeping it all for Canada. IMO he made the right move because China needed that stuff Now, and once they’re out of the woods and their manufacturing is ramped up they’ll help Canada out. China has already reciprocated and sent some PPE our way. More will come, too, as they are the global manufacturing centre for.. everything. But if we had told them to go f**k themselves in their time of need we’d be up s**t creek without a paddle rn.
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03 Apr 2020, 4:23 pm
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Does Trump have the authority to do this unilaterally on the basis of a war powers document, or is it disputable and going to get stuck in the US court system until it’s rendered a moot point by the end of the pandemic?
Dunno but it’s kinda moot because the damage is already done to America’s reputation simply by trump’s intent. No one is going to just let this slide and it’s
Going to have trade ramifications for America for many federal administrations to come.
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03 Apr 2020, 4:25 pm
sly279 wrote:
Seems from other thread this is all pointless as 3m makes them in China and China won’t let anyone other then China have them.
So maybe you need to make a China won’t give Canada masks thread
So maybe you need to make a China won’t give Canada masks thread
Except Canada gave China masks early on and China has already reciprocated sending some PPE to Canada and guaranteed will sell us more. That’s because our federal government knows better than to bite the hand that feeds & opted to maintain a good trading relationship with our partner, China. Canada will do Okay with international trade now and in the future because we didn’t elect some “Canada first,” windbag to tell them to f**k off. We’re smarter than that.
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goldfish21 wrote:
sly279 wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
sly279 wrote:
“Trump needs to use the defense production act”
Trump uses production act
“How dare he do that”
Trump uses production act
“How dare he do that”
To order American manufactures to produce masks Now vs waste time negotiating prices and timelines, not to anger the entire world/every country that conducts trade with the USA.
Mark my words: trump’s extremely short sighted attempts at “America First,” w/ regards to N95 masks (even if it hurts America as they are a Net Importer of N95’s) will Not soon be forgotten by anyone around the world. This single trade issue is going to affect trade relations for generations. Avoid “made on China,” ? Lol now it’s going to be avoid “made in USA,” because your president is trying to f**k doctors and nurses all over he world in an attempt to mitigate the crisis situation that’s only as bad as it is in America because he was months late to respond appropriately to it.
That is not going to be just My, Canada’s & Latin America’s, take on it. Everyone the world over has seen how he’s treating others and it’s going to have a lasting affect whether Americans realize it now or not.
That’s not how laws work.
The defense act is designed to make goods for ———>USA<——- war time needs, so when it’s used it makes companies produce stuff for the USA only. Wouldn’t make sense to say make ford make tanks and have them sell it to Canada. No we want ford to make tanks so us Troops. get tanks to fight.
So maybe you all shouldn’t demanded he use it. It’s nit set pit for global production and supPly it’s set up to support USA during war. Expecting it do do anything else is just crazy.
Maybe once our needs are met we can send surplus out like we have in past.
Do you need to be reminded that in war the United States has allies?
Ww2. Act declared, all companies only provide to USA government.
USA government sends supplies to allies as aid.
The act doesn’t make companies make stuff to give to USA allies.
Is Canada going give aid to USA when it gets really bad there? How much aid is Italy giving the usa and other eu nations? Non you say, they got it so bad they can’t give any aid and need aid you say, yet the USA has passed Italy, seriously need aid and supplies, yet you expect us to give the pressure supplies ri our allies who most aren’t in need of it?
If Canada was in our situation yiud all keep supplies to yourself too.
Let’s put it another way would you personally give up the supPlies you need to live and will die without to your neighbor? Or would you keep care of yourself first.
It’s like how when w plan is losing cabin air you told to put your mask on first before helping others, you want to USA to fall on its sword so Canada can have excess supplies.
It’s the job of governments to care for its people first not others, or they won’t have people to rule over. I’d expect Canada to care for Canadians first before helping other nations.
03 Apr 2020, 4:33 pm
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