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10 Jun 2020, 11:40 am

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I've never understood why Tyson Fury ( heavyweight boxing champion ) who comes from an English travelling community calls himself the Gypsy King?


Because he is a gypsy and so he is just saying he is the toughest gypsy in a bravado style.

Gypsy is a widely accepted and perfectly normal name to use in Britain to describe his people.



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10 Jun 2020, 6:24 pm

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There are Irish Travelers in the US too. Not as well known as the more common Roma/Gypsies.And not as much of a thing as they seem to be in the British Isles. But they do exist here. There was some news documentary about them like ten years ago on 20/20, or Sixty Minutes, or something. They seem to wander through the south. Have an unsavory reputation. And have weird customs. But are totally distinct from the other kind of Gypsies, and are fair skinned red haired blue eyed and as Celtic looking as any other Irish. Not at all like the other kind of Gypsies.

The driveway and roofing scam.
Show up and tell people they have left over hot mix and will fix your driveway for a discount.Turns our to be mostly oil and by the time it’s discovered they have left town.
Target mostly the elderly.


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10 Jun 2020, 6:46 pm

Biscuitman wrote:
TuskenR wrote:
I've never understood why Tyson Fury ( heavyweight boxing champion ) who comes from an English travelling community calls himself the Gypsy King?


Because he is a gypsy and so he is just saying he is the toughest gypsy in a bravado style.

Gypsy is a widely accepted and perfectly normal name to use in Britain to describe his people.


I was told by some Irish Travellers long time ago that Gypsy only refers to Roma Travellers and to use Gyspy any other way was insulting. Things have obviously changed.


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10 Jun 2020, 7:25 pm

I've been reading up on the Gyspies and travellers in Ireland and Britain. Apparently they both get the same treatment, names, slurs by the authorities and the general public.

Main differences:
Gypsies
- Genetically Roma mixed with Irish/British
- Practice their own beliefs although some are christian
- Have their own language Roma

Travellers
- Genetically irish
- Culturally irish and catholic
- Speak Cant which is a derivation of middle English/irish



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11 Jun 2020, 1:08 am

watched 2 gypsies fight each other last night if this adds anything to the thread! (I didn't watch through choice btw)



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11 Jun 2020, 1:12 am

Were they speaking 'as gaeilge'? :lol:


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12 Jun 2020, 9:02 am

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I never admitted to having Irish ancestry on my maternal grandfather’s side, or French Romani ancestry on my paternal grandmother’s... assume I’d have had a worse time of it if I did.

My maternal grandfather was Irish American and my paternal grandmother was French Romani 8O
That is freaky. Do you also have a Canadian paternal grandfather?



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12 Jun 2020, 9:08 am

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I never admitted to having Irish ancestry on my maternal grandfather’s side, or French Romani ancestry on my paternal grandmother’s... assume I’d have had a worse time of it if I did.

My maternal grandfather was Irish American and my paternal grandmother was French Romani 8O
That is freaky. Do you also have a Canadian paternal grandfather?

No, he was physicist from Gloucester. :D
His dad was a gardener/odd-job man around that city: further back than that probably Welsh ancestors given the family surname and characteristic physique, but don’t really know. :)



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12 Jun 2020, 9:59 am

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I never admitted to having Irish ancestry on my maternal grandfather’s side, or French Romani ancestry on my paternal grandmother’s... assume I’d have had a worse time of it if I did.

My maternal grandfather was Irish American and my paternal grandmother was French Romani 8O
That is freaky. Do you also have a Canadian paternal grandfather?

No, he was physicist from Gloucester. :D
His dad was a gardener/odd-job man around that city: further back than that probably Welsh ancestors given the family surname and characteristic physique, but don’t really know. :)

That's a relief, I was starting to suspect we were the same person.



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12 Jun 2020, 10:22 am

fluffysaurus wrote:
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fluffysaurus wrote:
Karamazov wrote:
I never admitted to having Irish ancestry on my maternal grandfather’s side, or French Romani ancestry on my paternal grandmother’s... assume I’d have had a worse time of it if I did.

My maternal grandfather was Irish American and my paternal grandmother was French Romani 8O
That is freaky. Do you also have a Canadian paternal grandfather?

No, he was physicist from Gloucester. :D
His dad was a gardener/odd-job man around that city: further back than that probably Welsh ancestors given the family surname and characteristic physique, but don’t really know. :)

That's a relief, I was starting to suspect we were the same person.

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12 Jun 2020, 11:26 am

Misslizard wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
There are Irish Travelers in the US too. Not as well known as the more common Roma/Gypsies.And not as much of a thing as they seem to be in the British Isles. But they do exist here. There was some news documentary about them like ten years ago on 20/20, or Sixty Minutes, or something. They seem to wander through the south. Have an unsavory reputation. And have weird customs. But are totally distinct from the other kind of Gypsies, and are fair skinned red haired blue eyed and as Celtic looking as any other Irish. Not at all like the other kind of Gypsies.

The driveway and roofing scam.
Show up and tell people they have left over hot mix and will fix your driveway for a discount.Turns our to be mostly oil and by the time it’s discovered they have left town.
Target mostly the elderly.

Exactly. They have those scams. According to the teasers for that TV doc (never caught the actual show) they also have oddball customs -like the men pick spouses by way of beauty pageant type events in which young (even pre teen) girls get done up like Jon Benet Ramsey. Or something. That's what it looked like in the promos.

I can testify that the other kind of Gypsies are an equally odd American subculture- but probably weird in ways different from how the Irish Travelers are wierd. I did a deejay party gig for a bunch of American Roma type gypsies in suburban DC. once. Weirdest bunch I ever worked for in that job.

The young men all dress up in silk suits and fedoras like the Sicilian Mob in Hollywood movies, and kind of strut around the party (pinstriped suits, or bright green, or bright red, like its some tribal custom- to signal which family clans are represented at the party). Had done parties for mainstream rich, and poor, Black crowds, White crowds, but....this was the only crowd I ever worked for that I had to watch out for the children messing with my equipment, and stealing stuff. I could go on. Very unique bunch.



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12 Jun 2020, 12:00 pm

Those scams were on the go here for a while, and in recent years Ive heard more of them happening in the UK.
House repairs in general, problems with gutters, those type of things.

It seems that in the past 20 years in America more scamming incidents are getting national attention?


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12 Jun 2020, 12:18 pm

Oh yes: the cowboy builders thing from the nineties!
I remember that being in my dad’s paper (Sunday Times) don’t recall it being linked with travelling folk of either ethnicity though.



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12 Jun 2020, 12:25 pm

TuskenR wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
TuskenR wrote:
I've never understood why Tyson Fury ( heavyweight boxing champion ) who comes from an English travelling community calls himself the Gypsy King?


Because he is a gypsy and so he is just saying he is the toughest gypsy in a bravado style.

Gypsy is a widely accepted and perfectly normal name to use in Britain to describe his people.


I was told by some Irish Travellers long time ago that Gypsy only refers to Roma Travellers and to use Gyspy any other way was insulting. Things have obviously changed.

Think the truth is somewhere in between.

People from both groups of travellers find “gypsy” offensive.

However other people from both groups, and the vast majority of non-travellers, don’t find it offensive.

There is a level on which it is “correct” to call Roma gypsies, but not other travellers including Irish travellers. But most people don’t really make that distinction.



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12 Jun 2020, 12:31 pm

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Oh yes: the cowboy builders thing from the nineties!
I remember that being in my dad’s paper (Sunday Times) don’t recall it being linked with travelling folk of either ethnicity though.

Yikes, the nineties is 20 years ago... 8O
About a decade ago a woman I know in England was caught by this driveway scam, at the time I was surprised that she didnt know that it was a standard scam, or know the difference between an Irish traveller accent and the provincial accents, but as it turns out most people cant.

When I was a kid in the countryside a scam I remember was door to door sales, while you were distracted at the front door, you were being robbed by entry to your back door, which in rural areas was often unlocked.


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12 Jun 2020, 1:07 pm

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Karamazov wrote:
Oh yes: the cowboy builders thing from the nineties!
I remember that being in my dad’s paper (Sunday Times) don’t recall it being linked with travelling folk of either ethnicity though.

Yikes, the nineties is 20 years ago... 8O
About a decade ago a woman I know in England was caught by this driveway scam, at the time I was surprised that she didnt know that it was a standard scam, or know the difference between an Irish traveller accent and the provincial accents, but as it turns out most people cant.

When I was a kid in the countryside a scam I remember was door to door sales, while you were distracted at the front door, you were being robbed by entry to your back door, which in rural areas was often unlocked.


Yes, one of my customers has all sorts of “solutions” in her garden courtesy of cowboys.
She also has a psychological aversion to change... so I’m stuck managing the chaotic deterioration of the place as best I can whilst seeing clearly how it could be remade. 8O
Such is life :wink: