Monuments to racism toppling around the world.
In Australia the colonists were often escaping a miserable existence of poverty in England so most sincerely wanted to create a new life for themselves. Many of the achievements in the early years of the settlement colonies were monumentally hard (many of us would not survive such conditions). I see no problem with statues of famous colonist settlers remaining as they laid the groundwork for people like our forefathers to settle in Canada or Australia. It is disingenuous to mock them.
Statues built to honor governors was common in that era and may or may not have been popular with the people, but I prefer my daughter learn about how Australia was settled, In the Melbourne docklands there are plaques all over that explain both the local settlements as well as indigenous. It respects everyone.
In Australia the colonists were often escaping a miserable existence of poverty in England so most sincerely wanted to create a new life for themselves. Many of the achievements in the early years of the settlement colonies were monumentally hard (many of us would not survive such conditions). I see no problem with statues of famous colonist settlers remaining as they laid the groundwork for people like our forefathers to settle in Canada or Australia. It is disingenuous to mock them.
Statues built to honor governors was common in that era and may or may not have been popular with the people, but I prefer my daughter learn about how Australia was settled, In the Melbourne docklands there are plaques all over that explain both the local settlements as well as indigenous. It respects everyone.
Why do you exclude the USA? The earlier colonist struggled just as much and all three(Canada, USA,Australia)took the land from the natives.
Weren’t most Austrian settles prisoners since it was a prison colony?
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The "Deaths in Custody" figures are a shadow of what they were.
And there is no suggestion of systematic abuse, from what I have heard.
I'm not sure what the verdict is, regarding the recent aboriginal shooting death by police, as a result of a knife attack on both officers.
And there are other stats which indicate there are more deaths in custody of non-aborigines than aborigines, presuming no statistical buggery.
Lol it’s been on news programs here in Canada that systemic racism against Indigenous peoples exists in Australia just the same as it does here & elsewhere. The particular show was highlighting camps of homeless people on some major city and almost all of them were Indigenous.
I’ve also seen stories circulating lately about Indigenous deaths in police custody. As for more white people being shot - perhaps - and if so maybe that’s because there are more white people? (And even that’s because of colonization & genocide..)
I'm sure you know much more about my country than I do.
Did you get your information from the ABC, by any chance?
I.E., Where did your Canadian news channel get it?
Seriously, I'd like to know where you got your information.
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New Orleans Demonstrators throw slave trader statue in river
Arrest records indicate 27-year-old Caleb Wassell and 30-year-old Michaela Davis each face multiple charges.
Wassell faced one charge each of illegal possession of stolen property, inciting a riot, theft under $1,000 and inciting a felony. His bail was initially set at $3,000.
Davis was charged with battery of a police officer, being a principal to theft, possession of marijuana, inciting a riot, inciting a felony and aggravated flight from an officer. Her bail was set at $4,000.
Magistrate Court Commissioner Robert Blackburn released the pair on their own recognizance, meaning that they were released without bail under an agreement to return for all court proceedings.
e also found no probable cause for arresting the pair on charges of inciting a felony. He also found no probable cause for Davis' charges of battery of an officer and aggravated flight from an officer.
Court records indicate this is the first arrest for both in New Orleans. Information about a lawyer representing either of them was not immediately available.
Police said they were the people who drove the statue to the river after it was dragged from its base to the intersection of Gravier Street and Loyola Avenue.
The statue was of John McDonogh, a white slave owner who profited off black people who were forced to work for their freedom over a period of 15 years.
He developed a program where slaves he owned could buy their own freedom, generally over the course of 15 years while he took in money from their forced labor before they were able to earn their freedom.
McDonough left the bulk of his fortune to the cities of Baltimore and New Orleans to build public schools for poor children: white children and freed Black children. More than 30 public schools were built in New Orleans because of his donation.
Video from Duncan Plaza, which is directly in front of the New Orleans City Hall, and from the riverfront in the French Quarter, shows protesters using a skateboard, rope and a chisel to topple the statue from its stone base, and later pushing it down the rock shoreline of the Mississippi and into the river.
A crowd of people can be seen cheering in both videos when the statue falls and when it is pushed into the river.
NOPD sent a statement Saturday evening saying the pair had been taken into custody. According to John Simerman from the Times-Picayune | New Orleans Advocate, both were questioned by the FBI after their arrest. Jail records show both were booked into the Orleans Parish Jail early Sunday morning.
Police said Sunday morning that they were also looking for a person of interest, who they say began to damage the statue with spray paint and a hammer.
That man, seen in these photos provided by NOPD, was reportedly one of the main participants in vandalizing the statue.
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In Australia the colonists were often escaping a miserable existence of poverty in England so most sincerely wanted to create a new life for themselves. Many of the achievements in the early years of the settlement colonies were monumentally hard (many of us would not survive such conditions). I see no problem with statues of famous colonist settlers remaining as they laid the groundwork for people like our forefathers to settle in Canada or Australia. It is disingenuous to mock them.
Statues built to honor governors was common in that era and may or may not have been popular with the people, but I prefer my daughter learn about how Australia was settled, In the Melbourne docklands there are plaques all over that explain both the local settlements as well as indigenous. It respects everyone.
Why do you exclude the USA? The earlier colonist struggled just as much and all three(Canada, USA,Australia)took the land from the natives.
Weren’t most Austrian settles prisoners since it was a prison colony?
I was addressing goldfish and he lives in Canada. But yes the same applies to colonists in the US. One major difference is many of the colonists in the US rode on the backs of slaves but that's another matter.
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Almost everyone on the planet participates in slavery in one way or another.
If you believe some’s perspective, virtually all employees are slaves to their corporate owners and the slave traded just shifted from openly selling people to gambling on the success of specially trained slaves on the stock market. I can’t say I disagree with that.
And if you don’t agree with that line of thinking, almost every Western consumer participates in slavery by buying slave made textiles, electronics, food etc etc as the cheap labour around the world is essentially a bunch of slaves - America didn’t just offshore jobs; they offshored slavery so consumers wouldn’t have to watch actual slaves pick cotton and sew t-shirts. Out of sight out of mind, then on the rack at your local retailer for ten or twenty bucks or whatever - totally guilt free because you don’t have to watch 6 year olds make your clothes & furniture anymore.
As for why people do it: some philosophies say we’re always in a state of constant conflict, that it’s the way of the world to conquer or be conquered. Always has been that way, always will be. And the conquered do the slave work for their ruling class captors.
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did the rats really love willard?
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i've long been fascinated by the possibility that rats have some emotional attachment to their humans.
i've long been fascinated by the possibility that rats have some emotional attachment to their humans.
Well, I luv a good steak.
Perhaps, to a rat, a human is steak on legs?
If you believe some’s perspective, virtually all employees are slaves to their corporate owners and the slave traded just shifted from openly selling people to gambling on the success of specially trained slaves on the stock market. I can’t say I disagree with that.
And if you don’t agree with that line of thinking, almost every Western consumer participates in slavery by buying slave made textiles, electronics, food etc etc as the cheap labour around the world is essentially a bunch of slaves - America didn’t just offshore jobs; they offshored slavery so consumers wouldn’t have to watch actual slaves pick cotton and sew t-shirts. Out of sight out of mind, then on the rack at your local retailer for ten or twenty bucks or whatever - totally guilt free because you don’t have to watch 6 year olds make your clothes & furniture anymore.
As for why people do it: some philosophies say we’re always in a state of constant conflict, that it’s the way of the world to conquer or be conquered. Always has been that way, always will be. And the conquered do the slave work for their ruling class captors.
You are talking about voluntary servitude so the middle class can afford lattes, laptops and the odd luxury holiday
In the third world there is a mix of tenant farmers, voluntary bondage/servitude to avoid starvation
The Arabs and Europeans were masters of involuntary slavery (at least the Europeans let their slaves keep their balls)
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Our biggest statue is of Sam Houston. He was a hero of the Texas Revolution, President of the Republic of Texas, governor of Tennessee, governor of Texas and my city’s namesake.
He was governor of Texas when the Civil War began, but he opposed secession and fought hard to keep Texas in the Union. Unfortunately, after Charlottesville, people were lobbying to have the statue removed, not knowing he *opposed* joining the Confederacy.
There are too many people who assume that every white American who reached adulthood before 1865 supported slavery and racism.
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Are they wrong?
The man was at least as bad as any other if you research his life and specifically the details of how he treated the human beings he felt he was entitled to own.
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