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Axeman
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18 Aug 2021, 5:14 am

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The similarities to the 1970s are getting positively eerie.

Being an Ok Boomer who actually remembers April 30, 1975 I could not agree more.

I don't agree. The South Vietnamese did fight. The Afghan army didn't.

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18 Aug 2021, 5:31 am

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I don't agree. The South Vietnamese did fight. The Afghan army didn't.

The South Vietnamese were never in full control of the Vietnamese government (be it South or North). If they had been in an alternate universe, and the Vietnam War went on for another 10+ years with the South Vietnamese in power, it's unclear how they'd have reacted when the USA finally pulled out in, say, the late 1980s. So, it's a weak comparison.

The anti-Taliban alliances did fight, and were actually able to take leadership positions in the country, but this role was only maintained with a persistent presence of the US Military.

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18 Aug 2021, 5:38 am

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fingers crossed

Paws crossed, in my case.

You furry little commie devil, you.
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18 Aug 2021, 5:40 am

Interesting to see that some members of the GOP are celebrating the Taliban's victories
https://www.thewrap.com/boebert-tweet-biden-taliban/
GOP Rep. Lauren Boebert was condemned by politicians from both sides of the aisle for praising — and seemingly promoting — the Taliban on Monday after the group seized Afghanistan’s capital Kabul over the weekend.

“The Taliban are the only people building back better,” the freshman representative tweeted, using Biden’s own campaign slogan.

“Tell that to the women,” snapped former GOP Rep. Denver Riggleman while Democratic Rep. Mondaire Jones mused, “This is a very dumb statement.”

The stupidity :lol:

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18 Aug 2021, 5:47 am

Pepe wrote:

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All the men leaving and abandoning their women and kids again I see.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9897201/Terror-Kabul-airport-Troops-fire-shots-air-desperate-Afghans-climb-airbridges.html

That is a very long article, and I stopped reading half ways down.
But what I did read gave no validity to your assertion.
Perhaps you can cut&paste?

The Oracle of Truth.

Does this help?

Not a huge quantity of women\children in there...

Does this help?
It isn't cropped as your pic is.

Thanks for that - I hadn't had a chance to see if there was a better version of the image (or another portion showing the lower part of that image) - The ratio is certainly much better when shown in full compared to the cropped version.

It's also possible that most women\children were evacuated earlier, although how likely this is (based on the current shambles over there) is difficult to determine.

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18 Aug 2021, 5:51 am

There are some women. No kids, though.

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18 Aug 2021, 5:56 am

Axeman wrote:

ASPartOfMe wrote:

Dox47 wrote:

The similarities to the 1970s are getting positively eerie.

Being an Ok Boomer who actually remembers April 30, 1975 I could not agree more.

I don't agree. The South Vietnamese did fight. The Afghan army didn't.

Part of the problem for the Afghan army is that they were being trained in the American style of combat, with a reliance on air cover\support, which disappeared when Mr Biden started the troop withdrawal (one of the reasons Bagrab was abandoned - why retain an airfield when there was no\minimal use at that time). Whether having this air cover\support would have made a huge difference in the eventual outcome, we'll never know, though.

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18 Aug 2021, 5:59 am

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There are some women. No kids, though.

Assuming what brictoria said might be true it could be an explanation. However there is no proof there was a mass evacuation of women and kids to the extent that all appears to be left are adult men.

Indeed when they cross the English channel on boats its mostly men so it just seems like continuity of tradition in that sense.

They know what they say about pictures speaking a thousand words. What that picture tells me is that those on board are callous beyond human comprehension because all evidence so far points towards women and children being left behind.

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18 Aug 2021, 6:09 am

cyberdad wrote:

Nades wrote:

Dox47 wrote:

The similarities to the 1970s are getting positively eerie.

They are. Pakistan or Iran might as well just annex Afghanistan now and drag them into the 21sr century.

Both Pakistan and Iran have been supporting the Taliban against US troops. Afghanistan is now a puppet state of Pakistan. But Pakistan is also supposed to be an ally of the US?

The big winners in all this are US arms dealers.

That is indeed the case, but coming entirely under Pakistan or Iranian control is still a considerable step up in the human rights department.

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18 Aug 2021, 7:45 am

Well...This is certainly a "productive" development:

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Washington (CNN)Factions within the Biden administration are embroiled in a blame game over why the US government didn't act sooner to withdraw American citizens and Afghans who helped the US over two decades of war, leading to a rushed and dangerous evacuation.
Military officials have said that for weeks they urged the State Department to move faster in evacuating its diplomatic personnel. State Department officials have said they were operating based on intelligence assessments that suggested they had more time, but intelligence officials insist that they had long reported the possibility of a rapid Taliban takeover.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/17/politics/biden-afghanistan-blame-shifting/index.html

You would think it would be a more productive use of those people's time right now to work to help the people still there, rather than fighting over how the situation came about.

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18 Aug 2021, 9:31 am

Nades wrote:

[...] What that picture tells me is that those on board are callous beyond human comprehension because all evidence so far points towards women and children being left behind.

Take it one step further, and ask yourself these two questions:

1. What kind of man abandons his mother, his wife, his sisters, and his daughters to "mercies" of a rapacious conquering male horde?

2. What inspired President Bush to send American troops to fight a war for those men in the first place?

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18 Aug 2021, 9:37 am

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2. What inspired President Bush to send American troops to fight a war for those men in the first place?

The same thing that's kept Rudy Giulianni respected for the past 20 years, 9/11.

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18 Aug 2021, 9:48 am

funeralxempire wrote:

Fnord wrote:

2. What inspired President Bush to send American troops to fight a war for those men in the first place?

The same thing that's kept Rudy Giulianni respected for the past 20 years, 9/11.

Milking the Cash Cow ... I shoulda known.

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18 Aug 2021, 9:59 am

Nades wrote:

Pepe wrote:

Brictoria wrote:

Pepe wrote:

Nades wrote:

That is a very long article, and I stopped reading half ways down.
But what I did read gave no validity to your assertion.
Perhaps you can cut&paste?

The Oracle of Truth.

Does this help?

Not a huge quantity of women\children in there...

Does this help?
It isn't cropped as your pic is.

Still far from 50/50. More like 95/5. Still full of cowards and probably Taliban.

You are judging people with no understanding of their circumstances.
Whilst I think humanity is an abomination, my respect for the Truth is greater than my revulsion, being The Oracle of Truth.

May I suggest you walk a mile in their shoes? :scratch:

BTW, How is staying in Afghanistan and getting your eyes ripped out of your head and/or your head cut off, heroic?
Where I come from it is called stupidity. :mrgreen: