18 Nov 2021, 6:22 pm
18 Nov 2021, 6:35 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Jakki wrote:
did not someone die as a result of the event . got to wonder how responsibility for that injustice.
Is going to be worked out .?
Is going to be worked out .?
From memory, 4 out of the 5 people who died in the Capitol Hill riot were protesters.
Most died of "natural causes".
One protester was killed by a security agent.
Please correct me if I am mistaken.
Interestingly, I have recently read an article, by a left-wing source, that couched the situation misleadingly, suggesting the protesters were doing the killing.
I was not impressed with the bastardisation of the Truth.
Those deaths by "natural causes" almost certainly wouldn't have happened had it not been for the stress and trauma brought on by the rioters. That crazy harridan who got herself shot would still be alive if the Trumpsters hadn't instigated the riot.
Speculation, agreed.
18 Nov 2021, 6:37 pm
18 Nov 2021, 6:40 pm
cyberdad wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Jakki wrote:
am failing to understand the four officer committing suic de .....even in a 7 month period .?
Cannot wrap my mind around that ? am finding myself looking for some kind of conspirascy....
What degree of disillusionment must have they survived ? i dont get it . Was there something they witnessed that was not suppose to be known about ? i mean that shaman guy loolked scarey but ? If anything , he took away from the credibility of the event .??.
Cannot wrap my mind around that ? am finding myself looking for some kind of conspirascy....
What degree of disillusionment must have they survived ? i dont get it . Was there something they witnessed that was not suppose to be known about ? i mean that shaman guy loolked scarey but ? If anything , he took away from the credibility of the event .??.
PTSD. Suicide is in fact common among law enforcement officers who have experienced trauma.
There was an attempt by right wingers (led by Trump) following Jan 6 to paint the police as acting beyond their jurisdiction, particularly in regard to the shooting of Ashli Babbitt. I am sure most of the police involved have never experienced a full on invasion which simulated a war zone. PTSD is inevitable as many of the officers would have seriously thought their lives were in danger. QAnon shaman's babbling attempt at remorse is trying absolve himself of his role in threatening both officers and congress. In many countries subversive attacks in government are correctly considered terrorism and result in execution,
The BLM violent riots would have been stressful for officers, also.
It is a dangerous job.
I have never considered doing something like that.
18 Nov 2021, 6:44 pm
cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Yet, no congressmen or congresswomen were killed.
The only "killed" person was an unarmed woman.
Once again, did you watch the video where the unarmed woman was killed?
To me, it was very much an overreaction, perhaps in a similar way as the Rittenhouse situation.
The only "killed" person was an unarmed woman.
Once again, did you watch the video where the unarmed woman was killed?
To me, it was very much an overreaction, perhaps in a similar way as the Rittenhouse situation.
To me the only reason they weren't killed is through the heroic action of the police.
I remember seeing a truly heroic security guard fending off multiple rioters with only a baton.
To me, *that* was heroic.
cyberdad wrote:
The officer who shot Babbitt was doing his job he was hired for that is to protect members of the US senate from a hostile mob openly calling for their deaths. Rittenhouse was proviking protesters with an armed weapon he was not supposed ot have in a place he was not supposed to be which is why he is on a razors edge from being charged with murder.
No other security person found it necessary to shoot anyone, let alone an unarmed woman.
18 Nov 2021, 6:50 pm
18 Nov 2021, 6:52 pm
Jakki wrote:
did not someone die as a result of the event . got to wonder how responsibility for that injustice.
Is going to be worked out .?
Is going to be worked out .?
He was patted on the back and hailed as a political hero.
Nothing to see, here.
Please move along.
18 Nov 2021, 6:56 pm
Dox47 wrote:
Jesus f*cking Christ, I go to bed late, and when I wake up and check this thread, we're doing prison rape again? What is wrong with people here?
Once again, what were you thinking when you decided to come back here?
18 Nov 2021, 6:59 pm
cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
The officer who shot her had no idea she wasn't armed. And as she was part of a violent mob, AND had wriggled through a hole in the door to either attack the representatives there, or unlock it so that the mob could lynch said representatives, I see the shooting as completely justifiable.
Have you watched the video?
She had nothing in her hand.
Had she had a concealed weapon, that would have been reported after she was killed.
I have and here's what I see
1. Babbitt is leading the mob screaming blue murder at congress demanding to the police entry
2. At the door the mob she is leading is screaming "F____the blue"
3. She and other people are bashing the glass panels on the doors
4. members of congress can be seen by the mob through the door
5. As she stuck her head through the smashed glass the officer gave her one warning to not cross the line. She ignored it and he had no choice but to shoot
This was not a peaceful protest. According to the officer's own code of conduct "An officer can use deadly force if they believe their action will save lives"
According to the department of justice - The officers actions saved members of congress from serious injury and possible death., You would think internal investigations found otherwise the officer would not have been given an award ofr bravery. (unless there is something you know that the FBI doesn't?)
Is this your first rodeo?
Haven't you seen a situation where political considerations, rather than justice, have a greater priority?
We will have to agree to disagree.
18 Nov 2021, 7:03 pm
Pepe wrote:
Once again, what were you thinking when you decided to come back here?
That the place needed some sense smacked into it, apparently.
Kraichgauer
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18 Nov 2021, 8:14 pm
Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Jakki wrote:
did not someone die as a result of the event . got to wonder how responsibility for that injustice.
Is going to be worked out .?
Is going to be worked out .?
From memory, 4 out of the 5 people who died in the Capitol Hill riot were protesters.
Most died of "natural causes".
One protester was killed by a security agent.
Please correct me if I am mistaken.
Interestingly, I have recently read an article, by a left-wing source, that couched the situation misleadingly, suggesting the protesters were doing the killing.
I was not impressed with the bastardisation of the Truth.
Those deaths by "natural causes" almost certainly wouldn't have happened had it not been for the stress and trauma brought on by the rioters. That crazy harridan who got herself shot would still be alive if the Trumpsters hadn't instigated the riot.
Have you seen the video of the "heroic" shooting of an unarmed woman?
I was not impressed.
She was warned not to breach the door. She chose to ignore the warning. The intent of the mob was to kill congressmen. The cop was doing his job. He is a hero. Unless you know something nobody else knows?
Yet, no congressmen or congresswomen were killed.
The only "killed" person was an unarmed woman.
Once again, did you watch the video where the unarmed woman was killed?
To me, it was very much an overreaction, perhaps in a similar way as the Rittenhouse situation.
No representatives were killed because of the officer who fired his gun to defend them.
Kraichgauer
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Gender: Male
Posts: 49,245
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18 Nov 2021, 8:18 pm
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Jakki wrote:
did not someone die as a result of the event . got to wonder how responsibility for that injustice.
Is going to be worked out .?
Is going to be worked out .?
From memory, 4 out of the 5 people who died in the Capitol Hill riot were protesters.
Most died of "natural causes".
One protester was killed by a security agent.
Please correct me if I am mistaken.
Interestingly, I have recently read an article, by a left-wing source, that couched the situation misleadingly, suggesting the protesters were doing the killing.
I was not impressed with the bastardisation of the Truth.
Those deaths by "natural causes" almost certainly wouldn't have happened had it not been for the stress and trauma brought on by the rioters. That crazy harridan who got herself shot would still be alive if the Trumpsters hadn't instigated the riot.
Speculation, agreed.
I find it very doubtful those "deaths by natural causes," or those suicides would have happened without the capitol riot. The officer whose badge and gun had been stolen from him by rioters had suffered a heart attack at the scene, which he thankfully survived. So, yes, the rioters are responsible.
18 Nov 2021, 8:19 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Jakki wrote:
did not someone die as a result of the event . got to wonder how responsibility for that injustice.
Is going to be worked out .?
Is going to be worked out .?
From memory, 4 out of the 5 people who died in the Capitol Hill riot were protesters.
Most died of "natural causes".
One protester was killed by a security agent.
Please correct me if I am mistaken.
Interestingly, I have recently read an article, by a left-wing source, that couched the situation misleadingly, suggesting the protesters were doing the killing.
I was not impressed with the bastardisation of the Truth.
Those deaths by "natural causes" almost certainly wouldn't have happened had it not been for the stress and trauma brought on by the rioters. That crazy harridan who got herself shot would still be alive if the Trumpsters hadn't instigated the riot.
Have you seen the video of the "heroic" shooting of an unarmed woman?
I was not impressed.
She was warned not to breach the door. She chose to ignore the warning. The intent of the mob was to kill congressmen. The cop was doing his job. He is a hero. Unless you know something nobody else knows?
Yet, no congressmen or congresswomen were killed.
The only "killed" person was an unarmed woman.
Once again, did you watch the video where the unarmed woman was killed?
To me, it was very much an overreaction, perhaps in a similar way as the Rittenhouse situation.
No representatives were killed because of the officer who fired his gun to defend them.
From memory, there were a number of policemen with presumably assault rifles in the near vicinity.
No one else felt a need to kill anyone.
I suggest you watch the video before you make further comments.
18 Nov 2021, 8:21 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Jakki wrote:
did not someone die as a result of the event . got to wonder how responsibility for that injustice.
Is going to be worked out .?
Is going to be worked out .?
From memory, 4 out of the 5 people who died in the Capitol Hill riot were protesters.
Most died of "natural causes".
One protester was killed by a security agent.
Please correct me if I am mistaken.
Interestingly, I have recently read an article, by a left-wing source, that couched the situation misleadingly, suggesting the protesters were doing the killing.
I was not impressed with the bastardisation of the Truth.
Those deaths by "natural causes" almost certainly wouldn't have happened had it not been for the stress and trauma brought on by the rioters. That crazy harridan who got herself shot would still be alive if the Trumpsters hadn't instigated the riot.
Speculation, agreed.
I find it very doubtful those "deaths by natural causes," or those suicides would have happened without the capitol riot. The officer whose badge and gun had been stolen from him by rioters had suffered a heart attack at the scene, which he thankfully survived. So, yes, the rioters are responsible.
You are entitled to speculate, as am I.
Kraichgauer
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18 Nov 2021, 8:33 pm
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Jakki wrote:
did not someone die as a result of the event . got to wonder how responsibility for that injustice.
Is going to be worked out .?
Is going to be worked out .?
From memory, 4 out of the 5 people who died in the Capitol Hill riot were protesters.
Most died of "natural causes".
One protester was killed by a security agent.
Please correct me if I am mistaken.
Interestingly, I have recently read an article, by a left-wing source, that couched the situation misleadingly, suggesting the protesters were doing the killing.
I was not impressed with the bastardisation of the Truth.
Those deaths by "natural causes" almost certainly wouldn't have happened had it not been for the stress and trauma brought on by the rioters. That crazy harridan who got herself shot would still be alive if the Trumpsters hadn't instigated the riot.
Have you seen the video of the "heroic" shooting of an unarmed woman?
I was not impressed.
She was warned not to breach the door. She chose to ignore the warning. The intent of the mob was to kill congressmen. The cop was doing his job. He is a hero. Unless you know something nobody else knows?
Yet, no congressmen or congresswomen were killed.
The only "killed" person was an unarmed woman.
Once again, did you watch the video where the unarmed woman was killed?
To me, it was very much an overreaction, perhaps in a similar way as the Rittenhouse situation.
No representatives were killed because of the officer who fired his gun to defend them.
From memory, there were a number of policemen with presumably assault rifles in the near vicinity.
No one else felt a need to kill anyone.
I suggest you watch the video before you make further comments.
The officer made a judgement call when a crazy woman with a mob behind her was crawling through a hole in the door. Every person in that room had been in fear of their lives, and with good reason. And what do you think Babbit would have done had she got in? I doubt it would have been to start up a civilized conversation.
18 Nov 2021, 8:36 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Jakki wrote:
did not someone die as a result of the event . got to wonder how responsibility for that injustice.
Is going to be worked out .?
Is going to be worked out .?
From memory, 4 out of the 5 people who died in the Capitol Hill riot were protesters.
Most died of "natural causes".
One protester was killed by a security agent.
Please correct me if I am mistaken.
Interestingly, I have recently read an article, by a left-wing source, that couched the situation misleadingly, suggesting the protesters were doing the killing.
I was not impressed with the bastardisation of the Truth.
Those deaths by "natural causes" almost certainly wouldn't have happened had it not been for the stress and trauma brought on by the rioters. That crazy harridan who got herself shot would still be alive if the Trumpsters hadn't instigated the riot.
Have you seen the video of the "heroic" shooting of an unarmed woman?
I was not impressed.
She was warned not to breach the door. She chose to ignore the warning. The intent of the mob was to kill congressmen. The cop was doing his job. He is a hero. Unless you know something nobody else knows?
Yet, no congressmen or congresswomen were killed.
The only "killed" person was an unarmed woman.
Once again, did you watch the video where the unarmed woman was killed?
To me, it was very much an overreaction, perhaps in a similar way as the Rittenhouse situation.
No representatives were killed because of the officer who fired his gun to defend them.
From memory, there were a number of policemen with presumably assault rifles in the near vicinity.
No one else felt a need to kill anyone.
I suggest you watch the video before you make further comments.
The officer made a judgement call when a crazy woman with a mob behind her was crawling through a hole in the door. Every person in that room had been in fear of their lives, and with good reason. And what do you think Babbit would have done had she got in? I doubt it would have been to start up a civilized conversation.
Yes, he made a "judgement call".
A *very* bad one, imo.
You do realise we will never agree on this, right?
Shall we agree to disagree, now?
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