Whoopi Goldberg suspended for racist comments

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So clumsy speech is acceptable again, Coveffe!

Whoa whoa whoa, don't get carried away now, we wouldn't want to get anyone canceled for thinking they have a right to an opinion again.

Correct. Carano want's her cake and to eat it too. She wants to be given her old job back and be allowed to express her kooky ideas that got her sacked in the first place.

What "kooky ideas", and why should she have been fired for them?

It's a question of intent and the capacity for redemption. I think the point that Whoopi was pivoting over and insisting on sticking with (even in the face of incredulity from other View panel members) was based on her own stubborn belief which is based on her experience as a black woman and racial politics in America.

She must have felt quite stupid debating the jewish holocaust with a jewish woman Joy Behar, Whoopi would have been furious if Joy told her what it was like for black people during slavery so likewise the holocaust is a topic best left to those who are invested in that history.

So the left want people punished for voicing kooky opinions but clumsy speech that rewrites the history of one of the worst race-based atrocities is acceptable and they will overlook racism when it correcting past racism. All this while the party of the left has a long history with racism.

It's really simple, racism is amoral.

These were the ones that got her fired
https://nypost.com/2021/02/11/see-gina- ... her-fired/

But she's also been on the anti-vax QAnon bandwagon which was heavily promoted among MMA fighters. Disney tolerated her for a while but they reached a point where her reputation for crazy was ruining their brand,

If we are talking about history then the democrats have only been on board with civil rights from the 1960s with JFK and Lyndon Johnson.

The current batch of democrats shouldn't be judged based on how the party was. Likewise the current republicans can;t be compared to republicans of old like Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, Andrew Carnegie and Henry Ford

Yes, completely anodyne opinions for a Republican of her age, while their liberal stars are openly mourning child molesters and promoting genuinely crazy ideas constantly. It's actually Disney who want to have their cake and eat it, as what their true policy is is "No Republicans", at least not open ones, but they can't come out and say that (yet), so they cave to the twitter mob.

This is beautiful, the "capacity for redemption" is brilliant and a good pull on the heart strings. It's a subjective decision that the left wants to control. I decide who has the capacity for redemption; and I know you didn't claim the premise. Why not just let the stupid flow and free people can make their own decisions? Why is it a negative to voice a different opinion to the left?

Somewhat related to this
The “conservative” media is claiming Goldberg was propagating Critical Race Theory. First of all the Jews are not part of critical race theory. The only “link” is both critical race theory and Jews as white adjacent is associated with “wokeism”. Oversimplifying things white adjacent is the idea that a group is not white but close enough to mooch off their privileges at the expense of blacks, doubly heinous. An important subtext is the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. This fits perfectly into the narrative. The white or white adjacent Israelis committing “genocide” against the Palestinian people of color. For the longest time the only the Bari Weiss/Commentary conservative type Jews took notice. In other words a small minority of a small minority. The mainstream liberal Jewish bubble only took notice during last years Israel - Hamas war when Jews that looked like them (not those MAGA ultra orthodox ) started getting attacked in the streets.

The point here is not to compare the woke threat to the Holocaust, there is none. The point is a bad outcome for Jewish people is baked in to race essentialist beliefs no matter what the source, a point that so many young Jews that have bought into progressive/woke/anti racist beliefs do not understand.

Let’s get back to Whoopi, after all the thread is about her. As said what Whoopi said was literally ignorant(not stupid which is often implied).

What she said was the complete opposite of woke ideology.

Fair point, all factors should be taken into consideration. When they orate racism and also have a history of it, I believe them as they just told me who they are!

You are off on the dates as southern democrats were against the 60's civil rights, LBJ had a hard time with 'em. Same as the MLK thread, two things can be true at the same time, man can accomplish good in the world and the man's morals be askew.

I want to add some thoughts on some discussion from a few pages back, and the concept that often groups feel they are the ones experiencing the worst of a situation, and thus might downplay other variations and experiences. I'm also throwing in a little bit of how there can be misunderstanding about what racism is.

One of the things that might be relatively unique to the Black American experience is that is has been rooted so deeply in skin color. There is no hiding or passing unless one was born able to, nor any quick modifications, as there can sometimes be with other physical attributes related to race. One of the comments I've heard often when listening to some of my favorite black community thought leaders relates to always waking up with their dark skin, always seeing it in the mirror, and always being aware of how inescapable the skin color is to determining what their life experience that day will be. When racism is based on skin color, it's final. Someone is born with the burden or they are not, no escaping it.

That didn't make it right for Whoopie to downplay other versions of racism, and certainly not the holocaust, but it might help us understand at least a little why the racism someone like her experiences feels different to her.

I think I've told the story before about I used to experience Asian racism before I was married and changed my name. My maiden name was visually similar to an Asian name, even though it was not Asian, and I am not Asian. But there were it times it was obvious someone had looked at the name on paper and made negative assumptions accordingly. My privilege was that I could instantly remedy the problem by showing my face, but the experiences did leave me with some little tiny clue what it might be like for those who can't.

Trying to understand and relate to how someone else is experiencing life takes hard work and effort. It doesn't come naturally to pretty much anyone, as much as we'd like to think otherwise. The remedy is in keeping the dialogue open, and always being willing to learn something new.

Someone who is Jewish is often both: part of a race and part of a cultural religious group. One of the identified genetic categories in ancestry tests, for example, is Ashkenazi Jew. The duality has, for a long time, been one of the unique features of Judaism. It is neither solely a cultural religious group, nor solely a racial group. Two large circles that don't always overlap, but frequently do.

Because it used to be the party of the "right." Or, more specifically, the South.

Feel free to point out flaws in certain political positions, but please don't treat the "left" as a monolithic group practicing racism. In general, the current Democratic political party I know wants to get it right, to move us to a post-racism culture. The problem is, of course, that figuring out how to get there isn't a simple or obvious process, sometimes the problem with positions isn't know until later, and we're all flawed human beings.

I think most people regardless of politics want to get it right, actually, but with so many people experiencing hurt and frustration in their lives it is hard for people to see when someone else actually has it worse than they do, and they may twist their own logic to avoid facing the realities they don't want to face, particularly if facing those realities reveals to them that they are part of the problem.

I personally prefer to tell people that something they are saying or thinking might be racist, rather than ever tell someone that they, as a person, are racist. As long as we watch that distinction, it is easier to keep discussions educational and healthy, IMHO.

I am willing to accept that I don't always get it right, for example. Stick to non-judgemental simple statements of truth in challenging me, and I can learn.

wait? aren't Disney-Pixar's two biggest stars (John Ratzenberger and Tim Allen) republicans?