Teacher jailed for violating court order over a pronoun row

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07 Sep 2022, 10:29 pm

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The other thing I feel is going unsaid here is that many of the people frantically trying to dismiss the idea that someone was jailed for refusing to use pronouns want people to go to jail for it, but know better than to voice that opinion too loudly outside of their bubbles.

That seems to be the case.



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07 Sep 2022, 10:34 pm

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But mostly I don't have spidey senses for that stuff. I think we've talked about that before. Not noticing gives me one less thing to potentially get annoyed about ;)


I can't not see it, it's part of what makes me so cynical these days.


I do realize that. One of those traits that has its good and bad uses, I suspect.


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07 Sep 2022, 10:35 pm

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Wow, everyone suddenly cares about precise accuracy in thread titles, a standard that I'm quite certain to find evenly applied if I browse a few threads here.

From now on I'm going to come up with titles like "Teacher jailed, find out why". Then folks will have to actually go by the content of the post


"Teacher jailed following dispute over gender neutral pronouns"

Leaves it obvious you need to read the story to know what actually happened.

Nope. I'm going to put as little into the thread title as possible from now on, so that people will have to actually read more than the title before commenting. I may even just post a link after that, without any excerpt. Then they'll really have to read the article. Whatever it takes to avoid this absurd derailing routine in the future.



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07 Sep 2022, 10:37 pm

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Wow, everyone suddenly cares about precise accuracy in thread titles, a standard that I'm quite certain to find evenly applied if I browse a few threads here.

I think the objective was to derail the thread.



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07 Sep 2022, 10:39 pm

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You know different posters notice and comment on different things, which may or may not represent a consistent pattern within the forum as a whole.


They're just coincidentally extra skeptical when the topic crosses their ideology? Like how some people here have radically different opinions on "hacking" depending on if we're talking a bad orange man's tax returns vs a certain laptop?

Why wouldn't people be extra skeptical of matrix posting articles related to trans people? matrix has been very clear that he's pro bigotry against trans people via religious justifications something something blah blah hates woke leftist liberalism and anything to do with basic dignity, respect, and human rights being afforded to trans people and other marginalized groups.


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07 Sep 2022, 10:45 pm

Matrix Glitch wrote:
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Wow, everyone suddenly cares about precise accuracy in thread titles, a standard that I'm quite certain to find evenly applied if I browse a few threads here.

I think the objective was to derail the thread.


Not mine.

To me, the title was click bait meant to inflame, something we ALL have complained about on this forum.

Because going to jail for pronoun misuse would truly be insane, I can't imagine anyone thinking it wouldn't be, but that isn't what happened at all. There were numerous procedural steps and opportunities between the pronoun misuse and the jail sentence, and it was for clearly willful violations in those procedural steps that he was sent to jail.

Still, we all know that someone somewhere would read a title like that, never read the article, and tell friends, "did you know a teacher went to jail for misusing a pronoun?"

I admit to being surprised at how interested you are in defending it. It would have been so easy to say, "Oops, didn't realize that." Know when to hold them, know when to fold them.

I am curious, then ... what did you want out of this discussion?


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07 Sep 2022, 11:14 pm

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Dox47 wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
You know different posters notice and comment on different things, which may or may not represent a consistent pattern within the forum as a whole.


They're just coincidentally extra skeptical when the topic crosses their ideology? Like how some people here have radically different opinions on "hacking" depending on if we're talking a bad orange man's tax returns vs a certain laptop?

Why wouldn't people be extra skeptical of matrix posting articles related to trans people? matrix has been very clear that he's pro bigotry against trans people via religious justifications something something blah blah hates woke leftist liberalism and anything to do with basic dignity, respect, and human rights being afforded to trans people and other marginalized groups.

If a teacher was forced to call a Christian student named Fred "Saint Fred" and have to refer to him as "Brother", I would have the same objection. The same goes for an employer or coworker etc.

When it comes to trans itself, I think 78 genders is going too far. Even Erica Anderson, a transgender clinical psychologist, has said teenage transitions have “gone too far.”

https://nypost.com/2022/04/15/transitio ... chologist/



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07 Sep 2022, 11:19 pm

Matrix Glitch wrote:
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Dox47 wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
You know different posters notice and comment on different things, which may or may not represent a consistent pattern within the forum as a whole.


They're just coincidentally extra skeptical when the topic crosses their ideology? Like how some people here have radically different opinions on "hacking" depending on if we're talking a bad orange man's tax returns vs a certain laptop?

Why wouldn't people be extra skeptical of matrix posting articles related to trans people? matrix has been very clear that he's pro bigotry against trans people via religious justifications something something blah blah hates woke leftist liberalism and anything to do with basic dignity, respect, and human rights being afforded to trans people and other marginalized groups.

If a teacher was forced to call a student named Fred "Saint Fred" and have to refer to him as "Brother", I would have the same objection. The same goes for an employer or coworker etc.

When it comes to trans itself, I think 78 genders is going too far. Even Erica Anderson, a transgender clinical psychologist, has said teenage transitions have “gone too far.”

https://nypost.com/2022/04/15/transitio ... chologist/


False equivalency. He was instructed to use preferred pronouns, not to refer to someone as Saint or King or whatever other nonsense title you want to come up with.

Wth are you talking about 78 genders ?


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07 Sep 2022, 11:25 pm

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False equivalency. He was instructed to use preferred pronouns, not to refer to someone as Saint or King or whatever other nonsense title you want to come up with.


What's the difference?


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07 Sep 2022, 11:27 pm

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False equivalency. He was instructed to use preferred pronouns, not to refer to someone as Saint or King or whatever other nonsense title you want to come up with.


What's the difference?

You’re not familiar with the difference between pronouns and fictitious titles? :?

Google is your friend. Lookup the definitions and study hard.


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07 Sep 2022, 11:28 pm

It's very unsettling that a person can get sent to jail for saying the wrong things these days.


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07 Sep 2022, 11:31 pm

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It's very unsettling that a person can get sent to jail for saying the wrong things these days.

That’s not why he got sent to jail. The thread title is misleading. He got sent to jail for violating a court order that instructed him to stay away from the school.


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07 Sep 2022, 11:44 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
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False equivalency. He was instructed to use preferred pronouns, not to refer to someone as Saint or King or whatever other nonsense title you want to come up with.


What's the difference?

You’re not familiar with the difference between pronouns and fictitious titles? :?

Google is your friend. Lookup the definitions and study hard.


Both whatever name the child comes up with and pronoun are at play. Technically all Christians are saints. So "Saint Fred" would not be a fictitious title for a Christian. And since one has to call the child by whatever name they choose to identify as, there can't be any names that are considered factious. If a child wants to be called Queen Matilda (ala Queen Latifah) then that's what you're supposed to call him.



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07 Sep 2022, 11:45 pm

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You’re not familiar with the difference between pronouns and fictitious titles? :?

Google is your friend. Lookup the definitions and study hard.


You know saints and kings are real, right?


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07 Sep 2022, 11:46 pm

Matrix Glitch wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
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False equivalency. He was instructed to use preferred pronouns, not to refer to someone as Saint or King or whatever other nonsense title you want to come up with.


What's the difference?

You’re not familiar with the difference between pronouns and fictitious titles? :?

Google is your friend. Lookup the definitions and study hard.


Both whatever name the child comes up with and pronoun are at play. Technically all Christians are saints. So "Saint Fred" would not be a fictitious title for a Christian. And since one has to call the child by whatever name they choose to identify as, there can't be any names that are considered factious. If a child wants to be called Queen Matilda (ala Queen Latifah) then that's what you're supposed to call him.

Names trans people choose to reflect their gender identity and the pronouns they prefer to be called by are not the same thing as stage names chosen by celebrities, actors, stage performers or porn stars. Not sure how you can't grasp that concept.


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07 Sep 2022, 11:49 pm

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Wth are you talking about 78 genders ?


Google is your friend. Lookup the definitions and study hard.

https://dictionary.tn/what-are-the-78-g ... ronouns-2/