Stupid People must DIE (preferably of Measles.)

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Its my belief that by dealing with utter morons on a day to day basis, I have developed a slightly right wing opinion of said morons, and whether or not they should breed, or even breathe.. and I do deal with A LOT of morons, with very few redeeming features. Deliberate obtuseness is anathema.

Feel free to jump down my proverbial throat for saying this, but if you're referring to the chavs who seem to be crawling the streets everywhere at the moment yeah... I do really wonder if they are in fact another species, to be honest.

That's them. Repulsive, malignant, pointless knuckledragging sociopathic murderers with a penchant for inbreeding, theft, and cheap gold...

See, there are two types of person affected by the potential decision to prevent school access to the un-vaccinated. One type are those making an educated decision, based upon their own research/information/beliefs NOT to have their children vaccinated, or at least avoid the MMR.. But these are also assumably the kind of people bright enough to understand the benefits of education. They will, no doubt, seek alternative means...

Then there is type two.. the feckless morons who skived school themselves anyway, whose mewling broods are festering with lice, already covered with piercings before the age of two and destined to end up haunting bus stops drinking cheap cider and kicking the f**k out of innocent people simply because theyre goths/tall/short/fat/thin/there/old/young/have an ipod... THIS generation will suffer from the sheer ignorance of their elders. Though it could be suggested that they werent likely to attend school anyway....

I'd definitely agree with that statement - it makes me so sad seeing these 'chav babies' too, because for 99% of them you can just see their whole life mapped out in front of them by the time they're barely six months old, and it isn't their fault at all. But then I see the current generation of teens - bear in mind I'm not too much older than half the ones I'm talking about, I'm only 21! - and it's just scary. So many of them just seem to have lost all respect for elders, they don't care about authority, the language that comes out of their mouths and the way I hear half them talking in the streets (loudly) about who shagged who last Saturday after 15 pints of snakebite or whatever... it's truly scary.

And yes, I would say the majority of those are the ones who wouldn't benefit from not getting the vaccine and perhaps SHOULD get it. Pretty much because the majority of those would be brought up on a diet full of junk food, crisps, mcdonalds and coke (ADHD children, anyone?) all of which only serves to deaden the immune system, and who likely won't have access to any alternative means and little idea of how to prevent illness in other ways, or know to avoid crowded/public places should an outbreak occur!

I'm very firm that if you aren't going to vaccinate your children you need to instead feed them food and give supplements that will bolster their own immune systems properly, give them enough sleep, teach them good hygiene, and make sure they know that if there is an outbreak of something they have to avoid public places and/or 'tell Mummy' about it. If you aren't going to do that then there's no point in avoiding it in the first place.

The Max on Vax topic

I decided to revist this forum and I was dismayed to find legitimate criticism on vaccinations had degenerated into something called "chav" baiting. It would seem as though now the argument is that vaccinations are for those whose diets resemble those of cartoon characters like the Simpsons and South Park.

I understand your disdain for vaccinations, lekiwi, because of certain additives in them that may be detrimental to health. I understand your choice not to participate in programmes offerred by the government to prevent diseases by innoculation. In a democracy we should be informed about what we are getting. In Canada the information is there. In a democracy, no one forces you to do that which is against what you believe. Of course, there are repercussions, none of which, as far as I am aware, involve punitive measures. I for one am glad of the choice. I can choose or not, as an adult, to vaccinate myelf (or my children). If I contract the disease, I can be sure of reasonably prompt treatment.

In Canada, isolated communities may forego vaccinations, and some are optional, such as for pneumonia and for the virus that can lead to cervical cancer. Not everyone wants the flu shot. My husband, who has never had the vaccine, has never had the respiratory flu that I have a weakness for. Lucky him. As I have mentioned here in an earlier post, I have been getting the vaccine since 1994. For me it works.

There are already alternative flu remedies in Canada. They very well may work, but they are not acceptable for seniors, many of whom die in flu outbreaks in nursing homes. Should seniors be in nursing homes? That is a whole different argument. The point I am making is that elder citizens in such homes are more prone to disease because of preexisting medical conditions. They need to be vaccinated unless they have an allergy to some of the ingredients in the flu vaccine. They are often in single rooms and visitation is restricted, especially during flu season.

New Zealand, as far as I can tell, is a small isolated set of two islands with a population of about 4.5 million. Canada has a poulation of 33 million and our nearest neighbour, the US, has a popuation at least nine times as large. It may be easier in your country to avoid vaccinations, but in our part of the world there is a grave risk. As I stated in an earlier post, if your solutions work for you, great. Different circumstances call for different preventive measures.

Sorry, just to clarify I'm a New Zealander but I live in the UK now, which has a population of 60 million and very close transt links to Europe. Hence the complaining about chavs - it's very much a UK thing, unfortunately for them, and as much as I hate to beat up on a particular group of people and make generalisations it's extremely hard not to and they make every effort to ensure their bad reputation stays that way. It's past being politically correct and not tarring everyone by the same brush - it's become a bit of a national crisis as such and extremely hard not to talk about because it's just how it is. You can't really comprehend it until you live here and deal with it on a daily basis - I thought, until I came here, that it can't have been that bad, and that people were being really harsh and insulting an entire group of people based on the behaviour of a few and found it really awful, but unfortunately I've found it to be 100% correct.

So what I was saying, about them being uneducated, living off benefits and crime, eating crap food and with not much clue about how to look after themselves is unfortunately true for a good 98% of them.

(And just to point out too, there's a difference between the traditional 'lower class' and chavs... foreign media don't really pick up on that and misreport it).

There is indeed a great discrepancy between "chavs" as reported by foreign media, and the group residents of the UK are referring to. The term "chav baiting" implies that there is some sub-group being picked on unfairly. This is categorically NOT the case. This is a case of the greater part of a whole generation blowing their lives away on Trisha and Jeremy Kyle. "Chav" in street usage here describes a group like an unholy combination of redneck, trailer trash, jock and mongrel wannabe "gangsta". The also get called other names regionally.. the only one of which I recall atm is "ned" (scottish usage i think.)

The point remains the same.. "chavs" will be one of the groups this idea targets. Or rather their misbegotten progeny, as if they werent already doomed enough to start with...

This "exclusion" tactic comes upon the recent (and contradictory) cunning plan by our government to legislate that any school excluding a child for bad behaviour MUST take a child from another school who has been excluded for bad behaviour.... . Its no coincidence that our education minister is called BALLS.

Didn't pick up on that... useless government really.

As an example, last night I was walking home and had a mouthy chav start making scary leery advances on me as I walked past a bus stop, while swigging from a large can of Strongbow (cider - also noted the five cans at his feet) and being egged on by his fellow chav mates. Awful. I won't repeat the language they used but it wasn't a nice experience...

The only regional one I know is the 'ned' of Scotland as well (which apparently stands for non-educated delinquent!).

the need to vaccinate is very much specific to the disease in question.

Letting your children play with infected children is irresponsible. Something like measles could well kill them them.

scally is a Liverpudlian/Manchurian version of chav

I was referring to chicken pox when I said that. If there was a measles outbreak they'd be kept home from school until the outbreak was over.

What if we hadn't vaccinated against, say, smallpox?

I don't know how things work where you're at, but where I'm at, the schools don't tell you a damn thing until the very last minute, making unvaccinated kids here very susceptible to getting really, really sick.

So over here at least, not vaccinating your kids IS dangerous and stupid.

Parents talk to each other and word gets around, simple as that... playground talk, someone says "Oh, by the way, did you hear little Jimmy has _____?" and there you have it, your first warning long before the school will say anything. Usually it's only something benign like impetigo or headlice, but I imagine it'd be even quicker were it measles.

Doh!! !! Maybe the failed vaccination caused the problem, damaged your immune system. There was no measles vaccination when I was a child. I and EVERY child in my school got measles and none of us had any associated health problems.

The truth is that dodgy vaccination caused the 1918 flu epidemic and probably AIDS too. As pointed out by your experience, it's just a huge no-brainer money-spinner for big pharma who care more about their profits than our health.

Wow.

Over here that would've worked when I was in school, but it doesn't now.

Over here, nobody says ANYTHING until it's too late.