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25 May 2008, 1:00 pm

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What punishment do you have in mind?


Eh, I tend to believe the child will outgrow this eventually. He is only 5. I don't remember much of the crap that occurred when I was 5, and the things that I do I shrug off now.

I've already specified that. She should be fired, and should not be working around children again. Ever. Also, there should be arrangements for this kid to go to a school where he will not be abused by his teacher.

Well, I doubt you ever had something like this happen to you. I've been bullied a lot in the past, and I have been able to (mostly) move past it, but then I was never subjected to this kind of treatment from my teachers. The fact that the child now screams at the sight of the school building, even when just driving past, is an indication that some harm has been done. Also, as I said, the other children have been taught that it is acceptable to treat other people in this manner, which it is not. The kid who was voted out isn't the only one to have been harmed by this teacher.


Your doubt would be wrong in my case. The silver lining about all this is that the kid is learning about the real world. Kids should learn to fight their own battles. Since my previous suggestion raised some ire, how about teaching the kid to fight, have him go back to the school and open a can of whoop azz on one of the boys that voted him out of the class. I'm negotiable on the methodology, but the kid needs to feel empowered by fighting back when people give him crap. People are just too uptight and politically correct these days. I can think of several good solutions to this.


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25 May 2008, 1:01 pm

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Your doubt would be wrong in my case. The silver lining about all this is that the kid is learning about the real world. Kids should learn to fight their own battles. Since my previous suggestion raised some ire, how about teaching the kid to fight, have him go back to the school and open a can of whoop azz on one of the boys that voted him out of the class. I'm negotiable on the methodology, but the kid needs to feel empowered by fighting back when people give him crap.


Hells yeah! Teach him Brazilian jiu jitsu so that when he has a kid in a leg lock, the rest of the group will come and begin to punch and kick him on his head.


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25 May 2008, 1:02 pm

tailfins1959 wrote:
Orwell wrote:
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What punishment do you have in mind?


Eh, I tend to believe the child will outgrow this eventually. He is only 5. I don't remember much of the crap that occurred when I was 5, and the things that I do I shrug off now.

I've already specified that. She should be fired, and should not be working around children again. Ever. Also, there should be arrangements for this kid to go to a school where he will not be abused by his teacher.

Well, I doubt you ever had something like this happen to you. I've been bullied a lot in the past, and I have been able to (mostly) move past it, but then I was never subjected to this kind of treatment from my teachers. The fact that the child now screams at the sight of the school building, even when just driving past, is an indication that some harm has been done. Also, as I said, the other children have been taught that it is acceptable to treat other people in this manner, which it is not. The kid who was voted out isn't the only one to have been harmed by this teacher.


Your doubt would be wrong in my case. The silver lining about all this is that the kid is learning about the real world. Kids should learn to fight their own battles. Since my previous suggestion raised some ire, how about teaching the kid to fight, have him go back to the school and open a can of whoop azz on one of the boys that voted him out of the class. I'm negotiable on the methodology, but the kid needs to feel empowered by fighting back when people give him crap.


It's no longer the 80's. Kids are not allowed to fight back.



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25 May 2008, 1:08 pm

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tailfins1959 wrote:
Orwell wrote:
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What punishment do you have in mind?


Eh, I tend to believe the child will outgrow this eventually. He is only 5. I don't remember much of the crap that occurred when I was 5, and the things that I do I shrug off now.

I've already specified that. She should be fired, and should not be working around children again. Ever. Also, there should be arrangements for this kid to go to a school where he will not be abused by his teacher.

Well, I doubt you ever had something like this happen to you. I've been bullied a lot in the past, and I have been able to (mostly) move past it, but then I was never subjected to this kind of treatment from my teachers. The fact that the child now screams at the sight of the school building, even when just driving past, is an indication that some harm has been done. Also, as I said, the other children have been taught that it is acceptable to treat other people in this manner, which it is not. The kid who was voted out isn't the only one to have been harmed by this teacher.


Your doubt would be wrong in my case. The silver lining about all this is that the kid is learning about the real world. Kids should learn to fight their own battles. Since my previous suggestion raised some ire, how about teaching the kid to fight, have him go back to the school and open a can of whoop azz on one of the boys that voted him out of the class. I'm negotiable on the methodology, but the kid needs to feel empowered by fighting back when people give him crap.


It's no longer the 80's. Kids are not allowed to fight back.


I told mine they can if they need to and we will worry about the results later. If Children's Services tries to take them away because I won't feminize them, we can always take them to Brazil. My wife reminds me that there is more than one kind of poverty; there are many kinds of poverty here in the US. These are things like a poverty of common sense and a poverty of good will.


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25 May 2008, 1:09 pm

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Your doubt would be wrong in my case. The silver lining about all this is that the kid is learning about the real world. Kids should learn to fight their own battles. Since my previous suggestion raised some ire, how about teaching the kid to fight, have him go back to the school and open a can of whoop azz on one of the boys that voted him out of the class. I'm negotiable on the methodology, but the kid needs to feel empowered by fighting back when people give him crap. People are just too uptight and politically correct these days. I can think of several good solutions to this.

Oh yes, let's teach the children violence from a young age... I don't blame the other students so much as the teacher, anyways. Violence settles nothing, and if he goes down that route he'll either end up in legal trouble or run into a bully who's stronger than he is. Either way, he loses. Therefore your suggestion is crap.


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25 May 2008, 1:11 pm

tailfins1959 wrote:
catspurr wrote:
tailfins1959 wrote:
Orwell wrote:
oscuria wrote:
What punishment do you have in mind?


Eh, I tend to believe the child will outgrow this eventually. He is only 5. I don't remember much of the crap that occurred when I was 5, and the things that I do I shrug off now.

I've already specified that. She should be fired, and should not be working around children again. Ever. Also, there should be arrangements for this kid to go to a school where he will not be abused by his teacher.

Well, I doubt you ever had something like this happen to you. I've been bullied a lot in the past, and I have been able to (mostly) move past it, but then I was never subjected to this kind of treatment from my teachers. The fact that the child now screams at the sight of the school building, even when just driving past, is an indication that some harm has been done. Also, as I said, the other children have been taught that it is acceptable to treat other people in this manner, which it is not. The kid who was voted out isn't the only one to have been harmed by this teacher.


Your doubt would be wrong in my case. The silver lining about all this is that the kid is learning about the real world. Kids should learn to fight their own battles. Since my previous suggestion raised some ire, how about teaching the kid to fight, have him go back to the school and open a can of whoop azz on one of the boys that voted him out of the class. I'm negotiable on the methodology, but the kid needs to feel empowered by fighting back when people give him crap.


It's no longer the 80's. Kids are not allowed to fight back.


I told mine they can if they need to and we will worry about the results later. If Children's Services tries to take them away because I won't feminize them, we can always take them to Brazil. My wife reminds me that there is more than one kind of poverty; there are many kinds of poverty here in the US. These are things like a poverty of common sense and a poverty of good will.


Bravo! That makes me happy to hear that you can leave if you want and that you know about how CPS will try to take your kids away for stupid reasons meanwhile children are actually getting abused.



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25 May 2008, 1:14 pm

tailfins1959 wrote:
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It's no longer the 80's. Kids are not allowed to fight back.


I told mine they can if they need to and we will worry about the results later. If Children's Services tries to take them away because I won't feminize them, we can always take them to Brazil.

Or you could teach your children to behave as mature human beings. It's one thing to teach them to defend themselves, but saying that they should respond to emotional abuse by beating people up is just stupid.


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25 May 2008, 1:15 pm

Encouraging violence in children?

Surely you're joking.



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25 May 2008, 1:19 pm

Orwell wrote:
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Your doubt would be wrong in my case. The silver lining about all this is that the kid is learning about the real world. Kids should learn to fight their own battles. Since my previous suggestion raised some ire, how about teaching the kid to fight, have him go back to the school and open a can of whoop azz on one of the boys that voted him out of the class. I'm negotiable on the methodology, but the kid needs to feel empowered by fighting back when people give him crap. People are just too uptight and politically correct these days. I can think of several good solutions to this.

Oh yes, let's teach the children violence from a young age... I don't blame the other students so much as the teacher, anyways. Violence settles nothing, and if he goes down that route he'll either end up in legal trouble or run into a bully who's stronger than he is. Either way, he loses. Therefore your suggestion is crap.


In practice, what has happened is that one of my boys told me he would "mess this up" by himself, so I walked to the principals office with him, acted irritated in proportion to how upset he was. I used expressions like "either bring this problem to a screeching halt or I'll drag you in front of a judge". His teacher actually THANKED ME!! She said her hands are tied with problem kids until a parent raises a stink like I did. My son just had a big grin on his face.


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25 May 2008, 1:20 pm

hah, no I've been in fist fights over someone being emotionally abusive and provoking me. I look back now with no regret and actually it is way better than all of the times that I did nothing. It was a glorious day for justice being served on a silver platter!



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25 May 2008, 1:30 pm

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As an Aspie my life has been made happier and has progressed with less harassment by avoiding black people and "liberated" women.

And as an Aspie, my life has been made happier and has progressed with vastly less harassment by marrying a "liberated" black woman. Perhaps your "life lessons" are more in the nature of your own ignorant prejudices, and merely detract from any attempt at reasoned discussion of the matters at hand...


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25 May 2008, 1:42 pm

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Tailfins, MrMark is a moderator. What he says goes, and besides, racist comments are expressly forbidden in the forum rules.

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This is a tough one. I make it a point to avoid attacking people on this forum on that basis. However, my observation is that blacks are disproportionately more retaliatory regarding Aspie traits. Aspies suffer more from the sense of entitlement the comes from "liberated" women which in a nutshell is "I can treat you like crap, but you have to respond only by smiling and taking it". I'm ok with limiting discussion in this area to how Aspies deal with life. I do have experiences I think others can learn from.

As an Aspie my life has been made happier and has progressed with less harassment by avoiding black people and "liberated" women. Am I somehow obligated to be around people more likely to make my life miserable? Am I somehow obliged to lie about my experiences or deny others the benefit of suffering less by knowing about what works for me? I thought freedom of conscience and opinion is part of American culture, or am I mistaken?


hmm..

I am an aspie female. I was raised by chauvinists. I had skills that they deemed inappropriate for a girl but it was what I was good at doing. The chauvinists seemed to wanted to pretend I didn't exist. Anything I had to say that made sense or deep thoughts or signs of intelligence went one ear out of the other. Because of this behavior I had to live with growing up, I never got the chance to go to college.

I was never taught alot of things actually and thought of as embarassing.

Now I am a liberated woman.

I do what I am good at. I am feminine on the outside but not all of my hobbies are feminine.

It's really awful when you grow up feeling like a defect because of how others treat you.

Somedays I fought back physically in school towards my aggressors. It felt good. I look bad and don't get upset thinking about how I put that bully in their place.

When I look back at the times I did nothing, I get annoyed and aggrivated.

Anyways, I can kind of relate to your views on lopsided so called fairness but I don't really see eye to eye with the black thing or liberated women thing.

Maybe what you are talking about when it comes to women are those who haven't had all that many hardships being female but decided to form the liberation club that dictates what liberation stands for based on what you look like and whatever false fad they have.

I had black friends growing up that treated me way better than the snobby cheerleaders.



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25 May 2008, 1:54 pm

tailfins1959 wrote:
catspurr wrote:
tailfins1959 wrote:
Orwell wrote:
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What punishment do you have in mind?


Eh, I tend to believe the child will outgrow this eventually. He is only 5. I don't remember much of the crap that occurred when I was 5, and the things that I do I shrug off now.

I've already specified that. She should be fired, and should not be working around children again. Ever. Also, there should be arrangements for this kid to go to a school where he will not be abused by his teacher.

Well, I doubt you ever had something like this happen to you. I've been bullied a lot in the past, and I have been able to (mostly) move past it, but then I was never subjected to this kind of treatment from my teachers. The fact that the child now screams at the sight of the school building, even when just driving past, is an indication that some harm has been done. Also, as I said, the other children have been taught that it is acceptable to treat other people in this manner, which it is not. The kid who was voted out isn't the only one to have been harmed by this teacher.


Your doubt would be wrong in my case. The silver lining about all this is that the kid is learning about the real world. Kids should learn to fight their own battles. Since my previous suggestion raised some ire, how about teaching the kid to fight, have him go back to the school and open a can of whoop azz on one of the boys that voted him out of the class. I'm negotiable on the methodology, but the kid needs to feel empowered by fighting back when people give him crap.


It's no longer the 80's. Kids are not allowed to fight back.


I told mine they can if they need to and we will worry about the results later. If Children's Services tries to take them away because I won't feminize them, we can always take them to Brazil. My wife reminds me that there is more than one kind of poverty; there are many kinds of poverty here in the US. These are things like a poverty of common sense and a poverty of good will.


Refusing to raise your kids to embrace violence as positive is not "feminizing them", and I have to say that I find that kind of language extremely demeaning and disrespectful to women.
That's a really hateful, bigoted thing to say, and I find your backwards attitudes more than a little disgusting.



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25 May 2008, 2:21 pm

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As an Aspie my life has been made happier and has progressed with less harassment by avoiding black people and "liberated" women.

And as an Aspie, my life has been made happier and has progressed with vastly less harassment by marrying a "liberated" black woman. Perhaps your "life lessons" are more in the nature of your own ignorant prejudices, and merely detract from any attempt at reasoned discussion of the matters at hand...


So do you wish to detract what has worked for me? My target audience is those that are lost and still deprived of female companionship. My ire is for women that make men miserable.


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25 May 2008, 2:25 pm

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I thought freedom of conscience and opinion is part of American culture, or am I mistaken?


That was before the socialists took over our courts, obliterated all of the Bill of Rights they didn't agree with (which is 99% of it), and forced their "political correction" down our throats.

Ironically I don't really agree with Tailfins on that much, but we seem to share a vehement distaste for political correction, and I will speak out against it any place, any chance I get.


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Refusing to raise your kids to embrace violence as positive is not "feminizing them", and I have to say that I find that kind of language extremely demeaning and disrespectful to women.
That's a really hateful, bigoted thing to say, and I find your backwards attitudes more than a little disgusting.


Right! So I should just have them sit there and cry in the face of abusive behavior. The main hate I have is for overbearing women that make men suffer. In general "liberated" women treat men and children like crap. Even in the face of hurricane force opposition, I'm saying ENOUGH OF THIS!!

Keep an eye on advertising using a variation of a theme "it's all about you". You will notice that the target audience of such ads is women.


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