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17 Oct 2020, 2:16 am

so we're mansplainers now. wonderful. :|



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17 Oct 2020, 2:26 am

auntblabby wrote:
so we're mansplainers now. wonderful. :|

It's likely he doesn't confront men, video tape them, and try to lure their dogs away, as men would punch him.


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17 Oct 2020, 3:10 am

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seems here that the posters here can't even agree that she knowingly filed a false police report.



Only reason why this keeps going is because we keep feeding the deniers. I'm done feeding TheRobotLives.

It will be very interesting to see what the deniers say if Amy did upload a video of her confessing. Will they come up with another excuse or go crickets or admit they were wrong and this is the evidence they needed.


Its not a denial but difference in perception. I agree that the ultimate answer to the question as to whether or not she is racist is whether or not she would do it if a White man was in his place. We just disagree on what would be the answer to that question. My answer is "obviously yes" and your answer is "obviously not". So, apparently, we perceive things differently. And this goes beyond just race because remember the question is what would have happened if they were both white?

As far as her admitting wrongdoing, she has incentive to do that, so that might be a lie. There is such a thing as false guilty plea. And by the way both sides agree in her apology she lied about "something". They just disagree as to what. If she is racist then she lied about being sorry. If she is not racist then she lied about the fact that its her fault.



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17 Oct 2020, 5:23 am

auntblabby wrote:
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she still told the police a falsehood twice before coming clean.


Yes and last time I checked 1 + 1 = 2 false reports

She broke Cuomo's laws and now has to face the music

i just don't get why people defend her, i mean what dog do they have in that fight?

pun intended?


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17 Oct 2020, 5:50 am

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Her lawyer said he's defending Amy, because his nephew is autistic, and emotionally vulnerable.


f*** not this s*** again

As I said at the beginning of this thread this was a minor dust up between two New Yorkers with attitude that for some reason has turned into a Rorschach test. What type of person when seeing unleashed dogs instead of moving away as gingerly and quickly as possible lures the dogs? An a**hole who does not know how to mind his own
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Amy is another type of a**hole was not just giving a description of a person who was threatening her. She used the race card threatened calling the police on a black man. One action was apparently a crime one is not. That is important to the two involved but that does not necessarily have to effect how I judge them.


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17 Oct 2020, 7:11 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
she still told the police a falsehood twice before coming clean.


Yes and last time I checked 1 + 1 = 2 false reports

She broke Cuomo's laws and now has to face the music

i just don't get why people defend her, i mean what dog do they have in that fight?

pun intended?

subconsciously mebbe ;)



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17 Oct 2020, 8:24 am

cyberdad wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
she still told the police a falsehood twice before coming clean.


Yes and last time I checked 1 + 1 = 2 false reports

She broke Cuomo's laws and now has to face the music


Did Cuomo pass the law you are referring to before or after the event in question?



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18 Oct 2020, 1:18 am

Bravo5150 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
she still told the police a falsehood twice before coming clean.


Yes and last time I checked 1 + 1 = 2 false reports

She broke Cuomo's laws and now has to face the music


Did Cuomo pass the law you are referring to before or after the event in question?

She is being charged with the older law of ...

Falsely reporting an incident in the third degree
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/240.50


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18 Oct 2020, 1:24 am

TheRobotLives wrote:
Bravo5150 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
she still told the police a falsehood twice before coming clean.


Yes and last time I checked 1 + 1 = 2 false reports

She broke Cuomo's laws and now has to face the music


Did Cuomo pass the law you are referring to before or after the event in question?

She is being charged with the older law of ...

Falsely reporting an incident in the third degree
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/240.50


Sorry Cuomo's laws were after the event but you are right re: the law she is being charged under existing laws for filing a false police report



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18 Oct 2020, 1:39 am

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Its not a denial but difference in perception. I agree that the ultimate answer to the question as to whether or not she is racist is whether or not she would do it if a White man was in his place. We just disagree on what would be the answer to that question. My answer is "obviously yes" and your answer is "obviously not". So, apparently, we perceive things differently. And this goes beyond just race because remember the question is what would have happened if they were both white?

As far as her admitting wrongdoing, she has incentive to do that, so that might be a lie. There is such a thing as false guilty plea. And by the way both sides agree in her apology she lied about "something". They just disagree as to what. If she is racist then she lied about being sorry. If she is not racist then she lied about the fact that its her fault.


The case has evolved beyond just one about whether she was racist or not.

Racism or implicit bias is perhaps nested in her response but ultimately what she is being charged with is making a false police report. The question that might be explored by the prosecution is whether her decision was made out of a false sense of panic (this would be the best case scenario for Amy Cooper) or whether it was a cold calculating move to inflict pain on Christian Cooper via the police.

According to you, Robot and Brictoria Amy Cooper felt threatened as a woman and compelled to protect herself

According to me, auntblabby, League_girl and funeralempire she decided to be shrewd and threaten Christian Cooper (whom she was angry with for pointing out she was letting her dog run without a leash) by emphasising that an African American was physically threatening her.

About 50 pages ago I mentioned she held a high level position as a director in a major Fortune 500 company earning a 6 figure salary which she could not possibly hold without having the temperament to maintain her cool under high pressure.

I'm afraid the "white damsel in distress" or "innocent autistic" argument doesn't work because I've worked for b*****s like Amy Cooper and her unethical behaviour toward Christian Cooper with the intention to cause him harm by getting locked up by the police (or worse) is entirely plausible.



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18 Oct 2020, 1:54 am

the people who support her are generally on her wavelength.



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18 Oct 2020, 1:57 am

Defending racism is racism.
Denying racism is racism.
Tolerating racism is racism.
Thinking it's okay for people to just be racist because it's "just an opinion" is racism.


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18 Oct 2020, 2:06 am

Amy Copper's lawyer has stated the she did not falsely report because a 911 call is not a "report".

A "report" is a police report ...not a distressed 911 call wherein distressed people may say incorrect words.

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18 Oct 2020, 2:12 am

That she used 911 to make the false report is secondary

The primary issue is i) she made two false reports to the police dispatch (on the record)
and ii) When the police arrived after her false accusatin that Christian Cooper was trying to assault her, Ms. Cooper told an officer that her reports were untrue, and that Mr. Cooper had not tried to assault or touch her

Its this second phone call + her admission of guilt to the police both of which are on the record which she is being prosecuted for.



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18 Oct 2020, 2:18 am

cyberdad wrote:
That she used 911 to make the false report is secondary

The primary issue is i) she made two false reports to the police dispatch (on the record)
and ii) When the police arrived after her false accusatin that Christian Cooper was trying to assault her, Ms. Cooper told an officer that her reports were untrue, and that Mr. Cooper had not tried to assault or touch her

Its this second phone call + her admission of guilt to the police both of which are on the record which she is being prosecuted for.

You missed the argument.

The attorney is arguing that 911 calls are not *reports*, so the law does not apply.

A report is supposedly an official police report.


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18 Oct 2020, 2:23 am

that is just another stinkin' blinkin' legalism, legal weasel words to defend the indefensible.