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08 Sep 2022, 2:39 am

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I find it a bit interesting how abortion and LGBT seem to be primary forefront paramount issues in liberal politics, out of all the other major issues.

Liberal?
Here, in our generally conservatist society, they were a low profile stagnating meh until agressive conservatists took power and started to fight people.

Here it seems to be the other way around.

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08 Sep 2022, 2:43 am

DW_a_mom wrote:

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I find it a bit interesting how abortion and LGBT seem to be primary forefront paramount issues in liberal politics, out of all the other major issues.

People get politically active fast when they see their rights slip away.

Same reason conservatives like to scare voters by claiming liberals will take away their guns.

What I mean is it seems like other important issues, like healthcare reform, are being kept in the background.

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08 Sep 2022, 3:08 am

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What I mean is it seems like other important issues, like healthcare reform, are being kept in the background.

Republicans have never much cared for healthcare. Seeing toothless protestors wanting to stop Obamacare tells me all I need to know about Trump loyalists and their views of free dental care :lol:

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08 Sep 2022, 3:37 am

Matrix Glitch wrote:

magz wrote:

Matrix Glitch wrote:

I find it a bit interesting how abortion and LGBT seem to be primary forefront paramount issues in liberal politics, out of all the other major issues.

Liberal?
Here, in our generally conservatist society, they were a low profile stagnating meh until agressive conservatists took power and started to fight people.

Here it seems to be the other way around.

I'm not where you live to check out and I'm sure it differs by location and demographics but the main narrative of our current right-wing government is exactly: "Evil <word not allowed on WP> are attacking us by waving rainbow flags and demoralized feminists want to murder babies on a whim. We are attacked! We need to defend ourselves!"
It's worth noticing that the abortion-related protests sprang after the exception allowing to abort damaged fetuses was removed.

As the result - more and more people do wave rainbow flags even if they previously didn't give a damn and popular support for legally available abortion rose to numbers previously unseen in this country...

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08 Sep 2022, 4:03 am

Matrix Glitch wrote:

DW_a_mom wrote:

Matrix Glitch wrote:

I find it a bit interesting how abortion and LGBT seem to be primary forefront paramount issues in liberal politics, out of all the other major issues.

People get politically active fast when they see their rights slip away.

Same reason conservatives like to scare voters by claiming liberals will take away their guns.

What I mean is it seems like other important issues, like healthcare reform, are being kept in the background.

Healthcare reform mostly got done as far as Democrats are concerned. Its a matter of fixing problem areas now, not anything interesting. Some Democrats are talking about Medicare for all, but as long as everyone can access healthcare through the ACA, it isn't a top issue. The ACA is not perfect, but people like knowing they can buy healthcare without getting rejected because of their medical history, etc. Some red states rejected the ACA money intended to expand their state healthcare offerings for lower incomes, and those states have healthcare gaps, but it really is the fault of those states. Mostly it's Republicans who want to chuck the ACA - while not knowing what to replace it with. Turns out having access to healthcare is something voters actually like, and that healthcare is, indeed, complicated.

What is galvanizing liberals right now is the threat to rights. Very little galvanizes people more than threats to their ability to control their own lives.

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08 Sep 2022, 4:12 am

DW_a_mom wrote:

Matrix Glitch wrote:

DW_a_mom wrote:

Matrix Glitch wrote:

I find it a bit interesting how abortion and LGBT seem to be primary forefront paramount issues in liberal politics, out of all the other major issues.

People get politically active fast when they see their rights slip away.

Same reason conservatives like to scare voters by claiming liberals will take away their guns.

What I mean is it seems like other important issues, like healthcare reform, are being kept in the background.

In my experience ACA was $300 per month for super high deductible insurance. Fortunately my company went union and I'm getting low premium no deductible $40 copay insurance. I'd like to see the Democrats match that considering how much they crow over caring about healthcare ins. But I know they're mostly all talk

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08 Sep 2022, 4:18 am

Matrix Glitch wrote:

DW_a_mom wrote:

Matrix Glitch wrote:

DW_a_mom wrote:

Matrix Glitch wrote:

I find it a bit interesting how abortion and LGBT seem to be primary forefront paramount issues in liberal politics, out of all the other major issues.

People get politically active fast when they see their rights slip away.

Same reason conservatives like to scare voters by claiming liberals will take away their guns.

What I mean is it seems like other important issues, like healthcare reform, are being kept in the background.

The Democrats aren't in the insurance business. If you want them to be, vote for Medicare for all. You do realize your employer is paying the premiums for you, and that is why the cost is so low? Are you saying you want the federal government to take on that role?

The ACA will subsidize premiums for lower income taxpayers. The big thing is that everyone is supposed to have access to it. That wasn't true before; if you wanted to go self-employed, health insurance was hard to find at any price.

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08 Sep 2022, 4:23 am

cyberdad wrote:

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What I mean is it seems like other important issues, like healthcare reform, are being kept in the background.

Republicans have never much cared for healthcare. Seeing toothless protestors wanting to stop Obamacare tells me all I need to know about Trump loyalists and their views of free dental care :lol:

Because of Obamacare I went years without health insurance. Because I couldn't afford the huge premium for extremely high deductible insurance. Someone I know had to become unemployed to qualify for actual affordable health insurance subsidies through ACA/Obamacare.

BTW Australians are considered UK redneck white trash drunks by many Americans. Just thought I'd mention that since you like stereotype disparagements.

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08 Sep 2022, 4:47 am

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Looked up DeSantis - ideologically very strongly conservative but apparently not an everything-violating-reality-denying-idiot. NATO- and Ukraine-related politics would probably continue current Biden's course, I'm glad it's not a divisive topic. Internal matters of USA... not helping with the polarization problem, I'd say, but at least hopefully staying within the civilized set of tools.

He's more dangerous than trump because he's more competent and gets more of his nasty crap actually accomplished. Some of the worst of his attacks on human rights in Florida are against the LGBT community with his "don't say gay," laws in schools. He's not as crass as trump, but he's still a jerk of epic proportions. Also a massive covid-denier.

Stop the presses I actually agree with you on this one.

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DeSantis had some pretty nutty ideas and he actually influences policy, at least in Florida. If that's anything to go by, he'd be much more active than Trump. In that sense I found Trump quite harmless.

I would change "active" to "effective". I really disagree with you on the last sentence. Just thinking about what Trump's reelection would signal gives me chills.

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08 Sep 2022, 4:56 am

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BTW Australians are considered UK redneck white trash drunks by many Americans. Just thought I'd mention that since you like stereotype disparagements.

I'm afraid that's one stereotype that's easily fixed
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/food/ ... 15a33dca60

Her majesties subjects are the world's biggest drunkards...god save the Queen :lol:

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08 Sep 2022, 5:00 am

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I'm not going to comment on your individual circumstance because it's none of my business. I am merely observing the level of brainwashing where people who quite clearly can't afford dental care could so aggressively against free healthcare.

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08 Sep 2022, 5:28 am

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I've seen the pictures you post of one or two people in a crowd of hundreds that supposedly represent millions.

Also healthcare insurance and dental insurance are completely separate in the US. So you're comparing apples to oranges. You might as well talk about Obamacare protestors having unfixed dents in their cars, as if Obamacare acted as car insurance.

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08 Sep 2022, 7:08 am

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That doesn't make sense given what I've seen from the program, although I don't doubt your experience was real. Do you live in one of the red states that rejected the federal money for filling in the gaps? That would explain the disconnect. Note that the fault in those incidents isn't with the ACA, but with the state governments who didn't want to participate.

Our firm works tax returns from people qualifying for significant subsidies all the time (subsidies are an advance that gets reconciled when the year end tax return is filed). Their income isn't that low.

I've started pricing out ACA options for my daughter because it may make sense to give her an individual policy instead of keeping her on my employer plan as my son ages out. The premium quotes I'm getting are lower than what we've been paying for adding full family coverage (v just me and my spouse) through my employer.

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08 Sep 2022, 10:14 am

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Same reason conservatives like to scare voters by claiming liberals will take away their guns.

No need for conservatives to claim anything, liberals are quite open about their intentions these days.

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08 Sep 2022, 10:26 am

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DW_a_mom wrote:

Same reason conservatives like to scare voters by claiming liberals will take away their guns.

No need for conservatives to claim anything, liberals are quite open about their intentions these days.

No "take away", only "make barriers to purchase new ones".

Even on this forum, I heard scare stories that liberal police would raid gun owners' homes - which was never put on the table.

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08 Sep 2022, 11:06 am

cyberdad wrote:

Matrix Glitch wrote:

What I mean is it seems like other important issues, like healthcare reform, are being kept in the background.

Republicans have never much cared for healthcare. Seeing toothless protestors wanting to stop Obamacare tells me all I need to know about Trump loyalists and their views of free dental care :lol:

Afaik there's no "free,"/universal government dental care in any province or territory across Canada. Healthcare, yes, but dental care - either you have a work plan or you pay through the nose for it. Or if you're on welfare there's a basic government plan for you. Some politicians have been teasing adding some form of dental coverage to provincial healthcare plans.. but they've been yakking about it for years and it's never happened. When I didn't have coverage and needed to go to a dentist it cost me $3-4k out of pocket, about $2k of that was for one tooth as I needed a crown.

It's really stupid that we don't have some sort of universal dental coverage in Canada, though.

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