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30 May 2021, 6:59 pm

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This misapplication of the word is what causes the term to lose impact... And, unfortunately, those who are misapplying it seem oblivious to the fact that their own actions are objectively more racist than those they are accusing of racism (As I've discovered when trying to explain how their words\actions meet the actual definition of racism)... Sadly, those people appear to desire a return to the time before MLK spoke of his dream, rather than working to make that dream a reality.


I believe you are appealing to emotions and not the evidence I present for 57 pages. Amy Cooper was quite rational when she threatened "to use race" to stop Christian Cooper filming her.

I am amazed that of all the legal loopholes you have so desperately searched for you haven't included some obscure law that prohibits people from filming somebody in public? maybe add that to the other 10,000 reasons Amy Cooper was innocent.



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30 May 2021, 7:16 pm

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i just don't get why so many here are defending that woman despite what she did.

People use to ask me on this site, "Why do you defend the police so much when they kill black people?"

Later I created a topic in PPR, and showed how police officers were found *not guilty* or *not charged* in all the police killing topics I participated in (e.g., Mike Brown killing, Terence Crutcher killing ...), except for the killing of Philando Castile.

Amy Cooper is another win for me.

The charges against her were dropped.

Nicholas Sandmann was another win for me.

Why not get on the winning team, and see the world for how it's, and not for what you want it to be?


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30 May 2021, 7:50 pm

jesus said to be in this world but not of it. the world is largely sociopathic, but i don't have to be of that, even if it is a stinking winning team.



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30 May 2021, 7:51 pm

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Amy Cooper is another win for me.

The charges against her were dropped.

Nicholas Sandmann was another win for me.

Why not get on the winning team, and see the world for how it's, and not for what you want it to be?


LOL! confident aren't you :lol:

Nicholas Sandmann's lawyer was riding interference from Trump who stuck his nose into the case by publicly supporting the teen. Political pressure likely forced the hand of the newspaper to agree to pay out of court, This is no different to Michael Jackson settling out of court to avoid damage to his brand even though he was innocent, In a pro-Trump environment no news media can survive an onslaught from a campaign waged by MAGAs and their president.

Amy Cooper's charges were dropped when Christian Cooper chose not to pursue legal action because he thought she had experienced enough by losing her job and she had agreed to undergo anti-racism training

I say 0...on both counts



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30 May 2021, 7:52 pm

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jesus said to be in this world but not of it. the world is largely sociopathic, but i don't have to be of that, even if it is a stinking winning team.


I imagine there was a similar sentiment about joining a winning team in 1933 as well,



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30 May 2021, 7:55 pm

cyberdad wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
jesus said to be in this world but not of it. the world is largely sociopathic, but i don't have to be of that, even if it is a stinking winning team.


I imagine there was a similar sentiment about joining a winning team in 1933 as well,

and that is happening again and so many are insensible. the reverend Martin Niemöller's words echo in my mind as i type this.



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30 May 2021, 8:02 pm

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i just don't get why so many here are defending that woman despite what she did.
I can think of a reason. ;)
Yeah, me too.

I'm curious as to the supposed reason, as well as what she is supposedly "guilty" of...

Given the worst the experienced prosecutors were able to come up with was "Falsely Reporting an Incident in the Third Degree":
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On Monday, the Manhattan District Attorney announced that Ms Cooper — dubbed “Central Park Karen” — will face misdemeanour charges for allegedly telling police the man was threatening her life.

She will be charged with filing a false report, which is a misdemeanour punishable by up to a year in jail, reported The New York Times.

“Today our office initiated a prosecution of Amy Cooper for falsely reporting an incident in the third degree,” Cyrus R. Vance, the Manhattan District Attorney said.

“We are strongly committed to holding perpetrators of this conduct accountable.”

Source: https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/amy-cooper-charged-after-allegedly-filing-false-police-report-against-bird-watcher-christian-cooper/news-story/bd33f1a87ce75ff45decf850ea427886

And, looking at the statute, there doesn't seem to be any area related to "race", either:
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§ 240.50 Falsely reporting an incident in the third degree. A person is guilty of falsely reporting an incident in the third degree when, knowing the information reported, conveyed or circulated to be false or baseless, he or she:
1.
Initiates or circulates a false report or warning of an alleged occurrence or impending occurrence of a crime, catastrophe or emergency under circumstances in which it is not unlikely that public alarm or inconvenience will result; or
2.
Reports, by word or action, to an official or quasi-official agency or organization having the function of dealing with emergencies involving danger to life or property, an alleged occurrence or impending occurrence of a catastrophe or emergency which did not in fact occur or does not in fact exist; or
3.
Gratuitously reports to a law enforcement officer or agency (a) the alleged occurrence of an offense or incident which did not in fact occur; or
(b)
an allegedly impending occurrence of an offense or incident which in fact is not about to occur; or
(c)
false information relating to an actual offense or incident or to the alleged implication of some person therein; or
4.
Reports, by word or action, an alleged occurrence or condition of child abuse or maltreatment or abuse or neglect of a vulnerable person which did not in fact occur or exist to:
(a)
the statewide central register of child abuse and maltreatment, as defined in title six of article six of the social services law or the vulnerable persons’ central register as defined in article eleven of such law, or
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any person required to report cases of suspected child abuse or maltreatment pursuant to subdivision one of section four hundred thirteen of the social services law or to report cases of suspected abuse or neglect of a vulnerable person pursuant to section four hundred ninety-one of such law, knowing that the person is required to report such cases, and with the intent that such an alleged occurrence be reported to the statewide central register or vulnerable persons’ central register. Falsely reporting an incident in the third degree is a class A misdemeanor.

Source: https://newyork.public.law/laws/n.y._penal_law_section_240.50

Even this charge they later dropped in a manner that demonstrates there was nothing to support it: Had there been, instead of prosecutors asking that it be dismissed, they would have required a formal admission of guilt (none was made), and asked that the sentence (at minimum) consist of the course she had voluntarily taken.

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It's a wonder some backbones haven't broken with all the weaving and gymnastics involved.


That sounds very much like the type of person her lawyer was talking about...
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In a statement on Twitter, Amy Cooper’s lawyer, Robert Barnes, wrote: “After a thorough and honest inquiry, the New York [district attorney’s] office dismissed all charges today against Amy Cooper. We thank them for their integrity and concur with the outcome.”

Barnes also hinted at possible legal action arising from coverage of the confrontation, writing: “Others rushed to the wrong conclusion based on inadequate investigation and they may yet face legal consequences.”


Given the conclusion was that there was no evidence to support anything other than "Making a false report", which was later dismissed in a way that indicated evidence to support even this did not exist, "It's a wonder some backbones haven't broken with all the weaving and gymnastics involved" in trying to justify assertions of guilt where those with more knowledge of the case (and experience investigating such issues) were unable to find any...

Then again, with so many here being so sure of the person's guilt (solely based upon their race), that must indicate they have evidence that the prosecutors lacked, or that they have much more professional experience investigating these issues...Which then leads to the question as to why they withheld evidence in what was a criminal investigation? Holding back the evidence when they claim to be certain she was guilty wouldn't help achieve a matching verdict, so what alternative possible outcome could they have hoped to obtain through withholding this "evidence" which supposedly confirms guilt?



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30 May 2021, 8:27 pm

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Certain people here dragged every possible legal avenue for her to escape jail - in the end her intended victim was the one who decided not press charges, Instead of accepting the consequences and learning from her mistake she is now trying to monetise her conduct to inflict pain on her ex-employer and recoup lost wages.


Her "intended victim" has no say in the pressing of charges - This is done by the District Attorney. Similarly, they could have proceeded without his participation, based upon the evidence they had (which would include the video) - of course, you were aware of this, as she was charged even though Mr Cooper declined to assist. The only thing his decision does is prevent his statement being used, as the defence are unable to question him about it (among other things, such as past incidents of similar bahaviour on his part).

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Amy Cooper may not be racist but I think I have provided more than enough evidence fantasies to suggest her actions were racist in terms of weaponising race. Her only hope main risk is that she gets a judge who thinks like some of the folk here on WP and tries to defend her because they are sucked into her "white damsel in distress" performance. acts irrationally, ignoring the law as written, in favor of "feels".


Fixed that for you.



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30 May 2021, 8:35 pm

An interesting question, of which I'm honestly curious as to the answer\explanation:

For those who claim she is guilty of "racist" actions (or that she is simply "racist"): Had events transpired as they did (same people, same words used), with the only difference being that Ms Cooper was also of "African American" descent, would you deem her actions racist (and why\why not)?



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30 May 2021, 8:36 pm

"the law is an ass." [charles dickens]



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30 May 2021, 8:41 pm

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An interesting question, of which I'm honestly curious as to the answer\explanation:

For those who claim she is guilty of "racist" actions (or that she is simply "racist"): Had events transpired as they did (same people, same words used), with the only difference being that Ms Cooper was also of "African American" descent, would you deem her actions racist (and why\why not)?


What if we only claim they are suggestive of racist attitudes, not by themselves conclusive evidence of those attitudes?

What if we believe that hypothetical would need to occur in order to comment on what might have motivated black Ms. Cooper?


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30 May 2021, 8:54 pm

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Brictoria wrote:
An interesting question, of which I'm honestly curious as to the answer\explanation:

For those who claim she is guilty of "racist" actions (or that she is simply "racist"): Had events transpired as they did (same people, same words used), with the only difference being that Ms Cooper was also of "African American" descent, would you deem her actions racist (and why\why not)?


What if we only claim they are suggestive of racist attitudes, not by themselves conclusive evidence of those attitudes?


In that case, the same would then be true were Ms Cooper to have been of "African American" descent, wouldn't they? Nothing else changed in the situation other than Ms Cooper's race, so the same attitudes\beliefs would still be present in the person of Ms Cooper.

Given people have not been claiming "they are suggestive of racist attitudes", but instead that she was categorically "racist", or that her actions were, this is why I am curious as to the answer to the question I asked.

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What if we believe that hypothetical would need to occur in order to comment on what might have motivated black Ms. Cooper?

How would you need this to occur? You already have the location, people, words spoken. The only change is in the race of one person.



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30 May 2021, 9:18 pm

Brictoria wrote:
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Brictoria wrote:
An interesting question, of which I'm honestly curious as to the answer\explanation:

For those who claim she is guilty of "racist" actions (or that she is simply "racist"): Had events transpired as they did (same people, same words used), with the only difference being that Ms Cooper was also of "African American" descent, would you deem her actions racist (and why\why not)?


What if we only claim they are suggestive of racist attitudes, not by themselves conclusive evidence of those attitudes?


In that case, the same would then be true were Ms Cooper to have been of "African American" descent, wouldn't they? Nothing else changed in the situation other than Ms Cooper's race, so the same attitudes\beliefs would still be present in the person of Ms Cooper.

Given people have not been claiming "they are suggestive of racist attitudes", but instead that she was categorically "racist", or that her actions were, this is why I am curious as to the answer to the question I asked.


Basically you're complaining that people assumed the sound of hooves were from horses when so far nothing has actually suggested they weren't from horses, it just has yet to be conclusively proven that they were from horses.

Sorry, I'm still in the 'most likely horses' camp and I don't feel the need to pretend like horses aren't still the most likely explanation.

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What if we believe that hypothetical would need to occur in order to comment on what might have motivated black Ms. Cooper?

How would you need this to occur? You already have the location, people, words spoken. The only change is in the race of one person.


I have an imaginary situation, not a real situation. With real situations you can look into a person's attitudes based on what they've said and how they've acted before.


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30 May 2021, 10:35 pm

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Brictoria wrote:
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Brictoria wrote:
An interesting question, of which I'm honestly curious as to the answer\explanation:

For those who claim she is guilty of "racist" actions (or that she is simply "racist"): Had events transpired as they did (same people, same words used), with the only difference being that Ms Cooper was also of "African American" descent, would you deem her actions racist (and why\why not)?


What if we only claim they are suggestive of racist attitudes, not by themselves conclusive evidence of those attitudes?


In that case, the same would then be true were Ms Cooper to have been of "African American" descent, wouldn't they? Nothing else changed in the situation other than Ms Cooper's race, so the same attitudes\beliefs would still be present in the person of Ms Cooper.

Given people have not been claiming "they are suggestive of racist attitudes", but instead that she was categorically "racist", or that her actions were, this is why I am curious as to the answer to the question I asked.


Basically you're complaining that people assumed the sound of hooves were from horses when so far nothing has actually suggested they weren't from horses, it just has yet to be conclusively proven that they were from horses.

Sorry, I'm still in the 'most likely horses' camp and I don't feel the need to pretend like horses aren't still the most likely explanation.


Given that this is a major point on 3 of the severn causes for which her previous employer is being sued:
Namely -

[1]Race Discrimination in Violation of § 1981
[2]Race and Gender Discrimination Under the New York State Human Rights Law
[3]Race and Gender Discrimination Under the New York City Human Rights Law

It is unlikely such prevarication or weaseling out of giving a straight answer to a simple question (Would you have the same opinion of\reaction to what occurred, had Ms Cooper been of "African American" descent) will be permitted.

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What if we believe that hypothetical would need to occur in order to comment on what might have motivated black Ms. Cooper?

How would you need this to occur? You already have the location, people, words spoken. The only change is in the race of one person.


I have an imaginary situation, not a real situation. With real situations you can look into a person's attitudes based on what they've said and how they've acted before.


Again, this is simply taking a known situation and changing one minor detail. Nothing else (background, "personal attitudes", etc.) is being changed, merely the ancestry of the person who's actions\motives are being judged by some here and whose judgement differs from professionals who investigated the situation.

It's not a difficult question: Were Ms Cooper of African American descent, would you consider her words\actions racist (and why\why not)?



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31 May 2021, 1:29 am

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It's not a difficult question: Were Ms Cooper of African American descent, would you consider her words\actions racist (and why\why not)?


Amy Cooper is white and privileged not black. Courts deal in facts over events that transpired not in hypotheticals. Do you really think a judge is going to undertake the type of mental gymnastics you have outlined that would be enough to write a book?



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Again, this is simply taking a known situation and changing one minor detail. Nothing else (background, "personal attitudes", etc.) is being changed, merely the ancestry of the person who's actions\motives are being judged by some here and whose judgement differs from professionals who investigated the situation.

It's not a difficult question: Were Ms Cooper of African American descent, would you consider her words\actions racist (and why\why not)?


I'll answer once it actually happens because it seems very unlikely to occur.


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