York Mosque praised for offering EDL protesters tea

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Ibrahim Lodi was a muslim, not a hindu! Geez.

I did you ask you these questions -

Either you chose not to answer them, or you thought they weren't important enough to answer.

According to the Quran islam explicitly bans homosexuality...punishable by death...

The wall is inscribed with words of Osama Bin Laden and Anjem Chaudhary that is a portent of what the future holds unless the world puts a stop to islamic fundementalism...

Tequila said the mosque is pro-LGBT, when he knows that EDL is not an LGBT group. Cyberdad didn't miss a beat, and wrote (yet) another of his literal readings. Yeah, like other religious books love gays

Do you have a snapshot of this wall? I'd love to take a look. I hope somewhere it says that there's a connection between islamic terrorism and imposing of shariah law on non-muslims.

I hate to remind you, but you missed three questions. (or maybe chose not to answer)

According to insiders (ex muslims) who are members of the EDL, the hadith and other books are being quoted heavily in mosques around the western world where mullahs are declaring a jihad on the western world in all forms on food, dress, morality and politics. You may be oblivious to these events taking place here in the west as you have explained never left the shores of India.

Those of us living in places like the UK, Canada, USA, EU and UK are very worried about current events, the future is very bleak
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_(Terrorism)

English is not your first language, is it?

I say that any mosque that sets itself up as pro-LGBT is likely to elicit a severely negative and almost certainly violent anti-LGBT/homophobic reaction from within its community. I would expect congregants to be beaten up, theit houses vandalised or torched, their families intimidated, their mosque burnt down. There are no pro-LGBT mosques for a reason, and often gay Muslims are disowned by their families and their communities.

There are quite a lot of either LGBT (or LGBT-friendly) Christian churches in the UK, and most churches here really don't give two hoots whether someone is gay. You might get a few old duffers muttering something about how gays weren't tolerated in their day under their breath, but they would never encounter serious hostility. I can't possibly imagine a pro-LGBT church being even campaigned against in most of the UK (there are some caveats to this - like Northern Ireland and some of Scotland), and of course in the more overtly Christian black African/Caribbean parts of Birmingham and London. (It's worth noting that these particular Christian communities of African and Caribbean descent themselves have severe problems with homophobia and apostasy.)

So in essence, you have two very different - and competing - societies:

One that is talking about legalising gay marriage (which the majority supports) and;
Another that is virulently homophobic and where a surprising number think gay people should be executed.



The EDL campaigns against "Islamic extremism". I think they're thuggish, but they would not exist if the root cause (which is Islamic extremism) were dealt with properly. They're not in the same league as the old National Front.

The EDL have an LGBT wing of their organisation. They also have a Hindu and Jewish wing if I'm not mistaken. I wouldn't go near one of their demonstrations (because they bring with it conflict and violence, and at least some of that isn't their fault). The political party that I belong to, UKIP, which campaigns on an anti-establishment, anti-EU, pro-free trade and libertarian agenda explicitly bars ex-EDL members from joining the party and has kicked a fair few people with EDL links out.

Here's an article, written by a British Muslim and published on the Leeds Islamic Society blog - it's a long one, and he's in a small minority of vocal voices within his community that is tackling what they see as the ret*d attitudes of people of his faith:





Most Christians ignore their holy books these days, or 'cherry pick' the nice bits. Nearly all Christians are non-violent (only a minority of people listed as 'Christian' in the census are actually practising Christians - most UK 'Christians' are agnostic/atheist these days, not Christian as such), and most Christians accept gays. There is a small homophobic fringe mainly made up of quite old people that don't like gays but I've never heard of them advocating violence against gay people and these people know very well that their opinions aren't really looked upon at all favourably by most in society (at best, their views are seen as a bit backward and old-fashioned).

Does that make it any easier to understand?

It's not so much about the religious book in question, it's about what people do with the beliefs from the book.

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Huh?! Very, very few ex-Muslims would go near the EDL. I've heard of one Muslim who is an EDL member (EDL Abdul), and he was taken on as a sort of mascot.

Pretty much every single ex-Muslim who I've ever read on the subject has absolutely no time for the EDL, much like a lot of the rest of society. In white society, the EDL is often disliked, even amongst quite right-wing/conservative people.

I don't think anyone here assumed a mosque was pro-LBGT apart from yourself Tequila, so you can probably drop that bit from your manifesto.

When? I didn't see him assume that any mosque was pro-LGBT.

I never suggested that any mosque was. I said that any people that were brave - or insane - enough to set one up in Europe would most likely face severe opposition and reprisals from huge gangs of extremist Muslims.

I don't know what happened to the proposed gay mosque in France, but I applauded the man responsible for thinking it up at the time. He opened his mosque in November, and I can't find any follow-up articles on him and his work.

I think he's barking up the wrong tree but I can't fault his commitment or his bravery for that matter.

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Here.

Yes, you're absolutely right.

What I should have said was:



Consider people like Dr. Taj Hargey, who is a liberal imam in Oxford. He has made himself immensely unpopular with a lot of people over the years for questioning the doctrines that predominate in his community.

Though I wonder how the only pro-LGBT mosque in France is getting on. The guy who runs it is apparently a feminist too (hopefully in the best tradition).

No fresh news. Dated December 5, 2012.

Sounds like he keeps it fairly discreet.

It's probably one of those instances where a small, tight-knit group of dedicated people come together to pray and to discuss what bothers them and their experiences. They're probably suspicious of many outsiders that show interest, and they have every right to be. If I was them, I'd be the same way.

I hope things are going well for them. We need people like them around.

The EDL has members who are ex muslims but they are (as you say) only a small number and the EDL has been infiltrated too much by racist elements. Their concerns (which I share) are echoed more articulately by writer Hirsi Ali Ayaan. and there are others who also make valid arguments against the rise of islam in the west. Hirsi Ali makes a very valid point that everyone is too scared to openly or publicly speak about the rise of fundamentalism.

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I showed Dhawal's posts to a non-practicing muslim at my work. He told me that Ahmedebad has a large muslim minority and this chap is probably a muslim based on his deep need to defend islam. He is using a time honored practice of "taqqiya" (literally strategic lying) which muslims are permitted (and even encouraged) to use when they are engaging with non-muslims