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27 Jun 2015, 10:24 pm

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I'm ecstatic. This has been long overdue. Things are changing for the better.


Civil rights marches on!


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28 Jun 2015, 7:11 am

Congratulations to all gay people out there and to my friends over seas.



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29 Jun 2015, 1:27 am

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For those who say there is no God, more's the pity on you, since, AFAIC, you have no hope. I walked in your shoes at one time, and I was one of the Worst, and most miserable SOB's around. However, I'm not so naive as to try to convice you that you are seriously misguided, so I won't bother. You'll have to figure this out for yourself, if you ever figure it out. Otherwise, ad hominem attacks on my views will just go sent to /dev/null.

You claim to have walked in my shoes. If you mean you didn't buy religious nonsense, then you walked in my shoes. But, if you mean you were an a**hole while doing so, then you walked in your own despicable shoes. Suggesting that since you were an a**hole while not believing says nothing about those of us who were decent, honest people while non-believing and we don't appreciate you trying to smear us with your crap...


Agreed. Just because some people are so depraved that they cannot be a functional member of society without religion does not imply that everyone is.

A disturbing trend in fundamental Christianity - why are they so sure that without the specter of eternal damnation we would all be raping and murdering and blending linen and wool into the same fabric?


I wonder how the Islamic community has been reacting to the ruling.


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29 Jun 2015, 8:05 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
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For those who say there is no God, more's the pity on you, since, AFAIC, you have no hope. I walked in your shoes at one time, and I was one of the Worst, and most miserable SOB's around. However, I'm not so naive as to try to convice you that you are seriously misguided, so I won't bother. You'll have to figure this out for yourself, if you ever figure it out. Otherwise, ad hominem attacks on my views will just go sent to /dev/null.

You claim to have walked in my shoes. If you mean you didn't buy religious nonsense, then you walked in my shoes. But, if you mean you were an a**hole while doing so, then you walked in your own despicable shoes. Suggesting that since you were an a**hole while not believing says nothing about those of us who were decent, honest people while non-believing and we don't appreciate you trying to smear us with your crap...


Agreed. Just because some people are so depraved that they cannot be a functional member of society without religion does not imply that everyone is.

A disturbing trend in fundamental Christianity - why are they so sure that without the specter of eternal damnation we would all be raping and murdering and blending linen and wool into the same fabric?


I wonder how the Islamic community has been reacting to the ruling.

They are waiting for the CIA to tell them what to do.


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29 Jun 2015, 8:12 am

And the fightback from state governments opposed to SSM has started in earnest:

Texas Attorney General Defies Same-Sex Marriage Ruling
TIME Magazine: http://time.com/3939652/texas-attorney- ... -marriage/


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29 Jun 2015, 9:56 am

AspieUtah wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
pcuser wrote:
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For those who say there is no God, more's the pity on you, since, AFAIC, you have no hope. I walked in your shoes at one time, and I was one of the Worst, and most miserable SOB's around. However, I'm not so naive as to try to convice you that you are seriously misguided, so I won't bother. You'll have to figure this out for yourself, if you ever figure it out. Otherwise, ad hominem attacks on my views will just go sent to /dev/null.

You claim to have walked in my shoes. If you mean you didn't buy religious nonsense, then you walked in my shoes. But, if you mean you were an a**hole while doing so, then you walked in your own despicable shoes. Suggesting that since you were an a**hole while not believing says nothing about those of us who were decent, honest people while non-believing and we don't appreciate you trying to smear us with your crap...


Agreed. Just because some people are so depraved that they cannot be a functional member of society without religion does not imply that everyone is.

A disturbing trend in fundamental Christianity - why are they so sure that without the specter of eternal damnation we would all be raping and murdering and blending linen and wool into the same fabric?


I wonder how the Islamic community has been reacting to the ruling.

They are waiting for the CIA to tell them what to do.


I hope you're just being sarcastic, or otherwise that just sounds f'ing paranoid.


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29 Jun 2015, 5:33 pm

More states joining the fight back against same-sex marriage being legalised. So far we have Texas, Kansas, Louisiana and, of course, Alabama:
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/ ... age-ruling


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29 Jun 2015, 5:36 pm

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More states joining the fight back against same-sex marriage being legalised. So far we have Texas, Kansas, Louisiana and, of course, Alabama:
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/ ... age-ruling


Then they can stand idly by as they watch the National Guard take control of their courthouses, and start issuing same sex marriage licenses.


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30 Jun 2015, 12:59 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Murihiku wrote:
More states joining the fight back against same-sex marriage being legalised. So far we have Texas, Kansas, Louisiana and, of course, Alabama:
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/ ... age-ruling


Then they can stand idly by as they watch the National Guard take control of their courthouses, and start issuing same sex marriage licenses.


A force of 2000 troops went to texas to enforce the emancipation proclamation.



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30 Jun 2015, 1:00 am

blauSamstag wrote:
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Murihiku wrote:
More states joining the fight back against same-sex marriage being legalised. So far we have Texas, Kansas, Louisiana and, of course, Alabama:
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/ ... age-ruling


Then they can stand idly by as they watch the National Guard take control of their courthouses, and start issuing same sex marriage licenses.


A force of 2000 troops went to texas to enforce the emancipation proclamation.


And we'll do it again to enforce liberty, by God!


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30 Jun 2015, 9:46 am

WeAreChange.org wrote:
The legal argument of gay marriage proponents is that because gay marriage is legal in a majority of states, that "right" cannot be infringed by the remaining states which opposed gay marriage. The U.S. Supreme Court, in granting this new, nationwide right to gay marriage, cited the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution.

[...] The actual ruling text of the SCOTUS decision makes it clear that its "equal protection" logic would apply universally to concealed carry gun rights which already exist in a majority of states:

(1) The fundamental liberties protected by the Fourteenth Amendment's Due Process Clause extend to certain personal choices central to individual dignity and autonomy, including intimate choices defining personal identity and beliefs… When new insight reveals discord between the Constitution's central protections and a received legal stricture, a claim to liberty must be addressed. Applying these tenets, the Court has long held the right to marry is protected by the Constitution.

Similarly, the right to keep and bear arms has also long been protected by the Constitution and affirmed in multiple Supreme Court decisions, as early as last year. "In District of Columbia v Heller (2008) — the SCOTUS ruled that the 2nd Amendment rights were 'fundamental' in and of themselves as well as 'fundamental to the Nation's scheme of ordered liberty'" writes Hawkins at Breitbart.com.

If this right to keep and bear arms (and to carry concealed firearms) is already recognized in some states, then by the Supreme Court's own precedent on gay marriage, that right cannot be denied in ANY state...!

WeAreChange.org: "SCOTUS same-sex marriage decision may have just legalized the concealed carry of loaded firearms across all 50 states, nullifying gun laws everywhere" (June 29, 2015)
( http://www.wearechange.org/scotus-same- ... everywhere )

Well, this is a novel and interesting interpretation!


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01 Jul 2015, 10:43 am

Ilya Somin, Professor of Law George Mason University School of Law

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“I think this argument may be plausible, but it is far from an open and shut case. In particular, the Supreme Court has not ruled that having a concealed carry permit is a “personal choice central to individual dignity and autonomy.” It hasn’t even (so far) ruled that the right to conceal-carry (as opposed to the right to mere possession of arms in the home) is protected by the Second Amendment. The portion of the majority opinion that deals with state recognition of same-sex marriages performed out of state is based on the notion that: “If States are required by the Constitution to issue marriage licenses to same-sex marriage licenses to same-sex couples, the justifications for refusing to recognize those marriages performed elsewhere are undermined.”

But, in the case of concealed carry permits, the Court has never ruled that states are required to issue them to their own citizens. I think such a ruling might well be required by the Second Amendment. But it hasn’t happened yet.”



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03 Jul 2015, 4:12 pm

Meistersinger wrote:
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The end of civilization as we know it.


You say that like it would be a bad thing.


Because it is. Marriage is meant purely to between a man and a woman. The Lord created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.


You are free to marry whomever you choose, regardless of whether or not you base that choice on religion or something else. You are free to choose not to attend or officiate a wedding based on your religion.

The law recognizes marriage as a contract, and many associate religious value to that contract. That's fine. The law also states that any adult can enter into a contract with any other adult. This has been expanded to marriage. Those who don't agree with the ruling don't have to take part in gay weddings.

Regardless of whether or not we agree with it, at least respect that there are people with the opposite opinion. If you disagree with gay marriage,at least respect that it is legal and makes people happy. If you agree with gay marriage, respect that religion is an important aspect of life for many people, and that their religion has it's own definition of marriage.



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03 Jul 2015, 4:25 pm

leniorose wrote:
Meistersinger wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
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The end of civilization as we know it.


You say that like it would be a bad thing.


Because it is. Marriage is meant purely to between a man and a woman. The Lord created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.


You are free to marry whomever you choose, regardless of whether or not you base that choice on religion or something else. You are free to choose not to attend or officiate a wedding based on your religion.

The law recognizes marriage as a contract, and many associate religious value to that contract. That's fine. The law also states that any adult can enter into a contract with any other adult. This has been expanded to marriage. Those who don't agree with the ruling don't have to take part in gay weddings.

Regardless of whether or not we agree with it, at least respect that there are people with the opposite opinion. If you disagree with gay marriage,at least respect that it is legal and makes people happy. If you agree with gay marriage, respect that religion is an important aspect of life for many people, and that their religion has it's own definition of marriage.

Actually, even if you strongly believe on religious grounds that gay marriage is a total sin, you have to participate if you work in the public sector and it's your duty to perform civil ceremonies for the public. Tough luck. If you don't like it, get another job.



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03 Jul 2015, 4:53 pm

IMHO the "hate the sin, love the sinner" part is only half-truthful.