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29 Aug 2015, 5:25 pm

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Most prospective employers would see it as boys being boys and think nothing of it since they likely did similar things in their youth. What might keep them from hiring them is the fear that in being made aware of the banner episode it could be used against them in the future.
"The Acme Defense Avionics Company did in fact knowingly hire sexual predators thusly validating their insensitivity toward women!"

Unless those doing the hiring are women.


Believe it or not, all women are hysterical. In fact, most of them arent hysterical and wouldn't be particularly bothered by frat house antics. Many would actually find amusement in it.



Huh! I'm confused. You're saying All A are B yet at the same time Most(Some) A are not B. If one looks at the square of oppositions you do know that if one accepts both a universal affirmative and a particular negative at the same time you are being contradictory.

I'm assuming there's a "not" that was supposed to be before the first "hysterical". It's just a mistype is all.


You're possibly right. Raptor, what did you mean?


Yes, that was a typo.
Should have read:
"Believe it or not, all women are not hysterical. In fact, most of them arent hysterical and wouldn't be particularly bothered by frat house antics. Many would actually find amusement in it."


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29 Aug 2015, 5:30 pm

Yeah, I think most women would view this for what it is, infantile behavior by overgrown boys.


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29 Aug 2015, 7:01 pm

So we have an ASD male interpreting what NT female employers would think about employing frat boys with infantile and misogynistic views.

You'll have to excuse me raptor if I remain somewhat skeptical. HR recruitment companies do background checks using social media sites and given the importance of a harmonious workplace and teamwork, males identified as a member of this fraternity are going to get scrutinised



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29 Aug 2015, 7:18 pm

Raptor wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
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Raptor wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Most prospective employers would see it as boys being boys and think nothing of it since they likely did similar things in their youth. What might keep them from hiring them is the fear that in being made aware of the banner episode it could be used against them in the future.
"The Acme Defense Avionics Company did in fact knowingly hire sexual predators thusly validating their insensitivity toward women!"

Unless those doing the hiring are women.


Believe it or not, all women are hysterical. In fact, most of them arent hysterical and wouldn't be particularly bothered by frat house antics. Many would actually find amusement in it.



Huh! I'm confused. You're saying All A are B yet at the same time Most(Some) A are not B. If one looks at the square of oppositions you do know that if one accepts both a universal affirmative and a particular negative at the same time you are being contradictory.

I'm assuming there's a "not" that was supposed to be before the first "hysterical". It's just a mistype is all.


You're possibly right. Raptor, what did you mean?


Yes, that was a typo.
Should have read:
"Believe it or not, all women are not hysterical. In fact, most of them arent hysterical and wouldn't be particularly bothered by frat house antics. Many would actually find amusement in it."



Okay, makes sense. :lol:



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29 Aug 2015, 8:53 pm

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So we have an ASD male interpreting what NT female employers would think about employing frat boys with infantile and misogynistic views.
Yep, I'm really that awesome. :D

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You'll have to excuse me raptor if I remain somewhat skeptical. HR recruitment companies do background checks using social media sites and given the importance of a harmonious workplace and teamwork, males identified as a member of this fraternity are going to get scrutinised
Which is why I'm careful about what and who is on my Facebook and especially my Linkedin pages. The whole harmonious workplace thingy is window dressing that has more to do with liability than actual harmony. They only want the appearance of harmony.

They actually want bullies and sociopaths in the workforce as long as;
a. they are subtle enough and don't bite the hand that feeds them.
b. they get things done that others can't or won't, even if it means bullying people.
c. there is no record (i.e. social media or other evidence) of a bullyish or sociopathic personality (lawsuit fodder).

As long as the bully and/or sociopath gets things done that wouldn't get done as fast (or at all) without them and is acknowledged by management as an agent of progress they are seen as an acceptable liability. It's one of those bottom line things that isnt going to go away.


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29 Aug 2015, 9:12 pm

Raptor wrote:
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So we have an ASD male interpreting what NT female employers would think about employing frat boys with infantile and misogynistic views.
Yep, I'm really that awesome. :D

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You'll have to excuse me raptor if I remain somewhat skeptical. HR recruitment companies do background checks using social media sites and given the importance of a harmonious workplace and teamwork, males identified as a member of this fraternity are going to get scrutinised
Which is why I'm careful about what and who is on my Facebook and especially my Linkedin pages. The whole harmonious workplace thingy is window dressing that has more to do with liability than actual harmony. They only want the appearance of harmony.

They actually want bullies and sociopaths in the workforce as long as;
a. they are subtle enough and don't bite the hand that feeds them.
b. they get things done that others can't or won't, even if it means bullying people.
c. there is no record (i.e. social media or other evidence) of a bullyish or sociopathic personality (lawsuit fodder).

As long as the bully and/or sociopath gets things done that wouldn't get done as fast (or at all) without them and is acknowledged by management as an agent of progress they are seen as an acceptable liability. It's one of those bottom line things that isnt going to go away.


It's the modern economy, we're all cookie cutter. There are no "unique" skills they can't find somewhere else without the liability attached. TBH, the banner morons probably have nothing to worry about, they're in a fraternity so when they're in the real world they'll just use a contact from the fraternity for a starter job-- it's all about who you know not what you know.



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29 Aug 2015, 10:19 pm

Aristophanes wrote:
Raptor wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
So we have an ASD male interpreting what NT female employers would think about employing frat boys with infantile and misogynistic views.
Yep, I'm really that awesome. :D

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You'll have to excuse me raptor if I remain somewhat skeptical. HR recruitment companies do background checks using social media sites and given the importance of a harmonious workplace and teamwork, males identified as a member of this fraternity are going to get scrutinised
Which is why I'm careful about what and who is on my Facebook and especially my Linkedin pages. The whole harmonious workplace thingy is window dressing that has more to do with liability than actual harmony. They only want the appearance of harmony.

They actually want bullies and sociopaths in the workforce as long as;
a. they are subtle enough and don't bite the hand that feeds them.
b. they get things done that others can't or won't, even if it means bullying people.
c. there is no record (i.e. social media or other evidence) of a bullyish or sociopathic personality (lawsuit fodder).

As long as the bully and/or sociopath gets things done that wouldn't get done as fast (or at all) without them and is acknowledged by management as an agent of progress they are seen as an acceptable liability. It's one of those bottom line things that isnt going to go away.


It's the modern economy, we're all cookie cutter. There are no "unique" skills they can't find somewhere else without the liability attached. TBH, the banner morons probably have nothing to worry about, they're in a fraternity so when they're in the real world they'll just use a contact from the fraternity for a starter job-- it's all about who you know not what you know.


Precisely :hail:


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29 Aug 2015, 10:42 pm

I agree that these guys don't have to worry about future employment problems. Their whole life is probably a party. Coming from wealthy families. Connections which, I agree, are the way you get jobs (most of the time.)

Anyway,

Yahoo/Reuters: Dedicated New York State police unit to tackle campus sex assault

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The U.S. Department of Education is currently investigating 131 schools for violating federal law in their handling of sexual assault allegations, and New York leads the country with 20 schools on that list. Vice President Joe Biden called campus sexual assault an epidemic when the White House launched a task force to address the issue in 2014.


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Victims' advocates say police have too often ignored or disbelieved sexual assault victims, dismissing attacks as a byproduct of sometimes alcohol-fueled campus cultures.


I'm glad to see your government is taking this seriously.



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29 Aug 2015, 10:50 pm

Raptor wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
Raptor wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
So we have an ASD male interpreting what NT female employers would think about employing frat boys with infantile and misogynistic views.
Yep, I'm really that awesome. :D

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You'll have to excuse me raptor if I remain somewhat skeptical. HR recruitment companies do background checks using social media sites and given the importance of a harmonious workplace and teamwork, males identified as a member of this fraternity are going to get scrutinised
Which is why I'm careful about what and who is on my Facebook and especially my Linkedin pages. The whole harmonious workplace thingy is window dressing that has more to do with liability than actual harmony. They only want the appearance of harmony.

They actually want bullies and sociopaths in the workforce as long as;
a. they are subtle enough and don't bite the hand that feeds them.
b. they get things done that others can't or won't, even if it means bullying people.
c. there is no record (i.e. social media or other evidence) of a bullyish or sociopathic personality (lawsuit fodder).

As long as the bully and/or sociopath gets things done that wouldn't get done as fast (or at all) without them and is acknowledged by management as an agent of progress they are seen as an acceptable liability. It's one of those bottom line things that isnt going to go away.


It's the modern economy, we're all cookie cutter. There are no "unique" skills they can't find somewhere else without the liability attached. TBH, the banner morons probably have nothing to worry about, they're in a fraternity so when they're in the real world they'll just use a contact from the fraternity for a starter job-- it's all about who you know not what you know.


Precisely :hail:

It wasn't meant as a positive...



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29 Aug 2015, 10:56 pm

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Victims' advocates say police have too often ignored or disbelieved sexual assault victims, dismissing attacks as a byproduct of sometimes alcohol-fueled campus cultures.


That's because being charged with a sex crime is very serious business and the kind of thing that will follow you around for life.


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29 Aug 2015, 11:06 pm

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Victims' advocates say police have too often ignored or disbelieved sexual assault victims, dismissing attacks as a byproduct of sometimes alcohol-fueled campus cultures.


That's because being charged with a sex crime is very serious business and the kind of thing that will follow you around for life.


Wow, just like sexual assault. How ironic? And why are you assuming the victim is lying. And this isn't about men and women either. Men are assaulted on campus too, and that's taken even less seriously.



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30 Aug 2015, 12:15 am

I don't see "rape culture" in this. I see guys who have watched Animal House too many times and think they should get away with tasteless s**t like this.

It's not "dehumanizing" it's simply them thinking way more of themselves than they are.


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30 Aug 2015, 12:26 am

I think it's both.



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30 Aug 2015, 12:27 am

And, glad you're feeling better.

It's dehumanizing because if they looked at them as people they wouldn't behave this way.



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30 Aug 2015, 12:57 am

androbot01 wrote:
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Victims' advocates say police have too often ignored or disbelieved sexual assault victims, dismissing attacks as a byproduct of sometimes alcohol-fueled campus cultures.


That's because being charged with a sex crime is very serious business and the kind of thing that will follow you around for life.


Wow, just like sexual assault. How ironic? And why are you assuming the victim is lying. And this isn't about men and women either. Men are assaulted on campus too, and that's taken even less seriously.


Duh. :roll:
It's not about assuming the victim is lying but about not initiating a witch hunt without further scrutiny of the accuser and the charges.


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30 Aug 2015, 1:04 am

Well I'm not suggesting that the frat boys be charged with anything ... well maybe mischief. But you brought the police into this. I'm talking about a culture that degrades women.