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09 Nov 2016, 6:42 pm

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Why did so many poor people vote against their interests? :?:


They are idiots. My dad was like that his entire life. He took advantage of every single government social program he could. Starting with the G.I. Bill for his education. Then when his business funded with government small business loans, went broke, we went on welfare, food stamps, and a bunch of other social programs that no longer exist, because he voted for Ronald Reagan who defunded them all. Then he went on to vote for both the Bushtards, while they were cutting his SSDI benefits.

It's the idiots with no education and no healthcare, working at Walmart for minimum wage that keep voting for these Republictards. Half the US population are uneducated fools who are too dumb to vote, but keep voting anyway. So the cycle of ignorance just continues.


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More people would have voted for Trump, Stein or not at all if they weren't so thick and uneducated on Clinton's crimes. Please don't pretend to be liberal or democratic when you call everyone who disagrees with you and the establishment uneducated, idiots and claim they should even be allowed to vote. I could understand people voting Democrat to keep Trump out, if it wasn't devil woman Clinton at the helm. Also, they haven't got healthcare, because they cannot afford it under Obomber's bill.


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09 Nov 2016, 6:47 pm

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she lost florida which lowers her chances of winning drastically. it will come down to Michigan this time and she is losing there bigtime. I am afraid the doomsday countdown clock has started.


She has already lost Michigan too, and Wisconsin and Ohio and North Carolina. Trump will win the election, but not the popular vote. Great system we have isn't it? :x


Well it doesn't seem much like what you earlier described as if it were already and established fact that Clinton had already won. If I were old enough to vote, what you posted might have talked me out of it. But now I know better.


So you are impressed with the outcome? Clinton winning the popular vote and Trump winning the election? The entire US political system is a scam. The only thing I was wrong about was who the oligarchists were going to make president. The election proves that it is not the decision of the majority of Americans.



This is the current popular vote:

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Unlike you apparently, I'm into facts. Rather than predictions and myths.


No you are not into facts. You are into cherry picking.

Hillary Clinton 59,626,695 votes (47.7%) Donald Trump 59,428,493 votes (47.5%)

Hillary Clinton lost the election but is winning the popular vote


You claimed the election was already other and Clinton was going to win in a landslide, before the election!


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10 Nov 2016, 12:48 am

JohnPowell wrote:
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Why did so many poor people vote against their interests? :?:


They are idiots. My dad was like that his entire life. He took advantage of every single government social program he could. Starting with the G.I. Bill for his education. Then when his business funded with government small business loans, went broke, we went on welfare, food stamps, and a bunch of other social programs that no longer exist, because he voted for Ronald Reagan who defunded them all. Then he went on to vote for both the Bushtards, while they were cutting his SSDI benefits.

It's the idiots with no education and no healthcare, working at Walmart for minimum wage that keep voting for these Republictards. Half the US population are uneducated fools who are too dumb to vote, but keep voting anyway. So the cycle of ignorance just continues.


:wall:

More people would have voted for Trump, Stein or not at all if they weren't so thick and uneducated on Clinton's crimes. Please don't pretend to be liberal or democratic when you call everyone who disagrees with you and the establishment uneducated, idiots and claim they should even be allowed to vote. I could understand people voting Democrat to keep Trump out, if it wasn't devil woman Clinton at the helm. Also, they haven't got healthcare, because they cannot afford it under Obomber's bill.


You do not get to define who is liberal, or how liberals should act. Especially since you have no clue what liberalism is. Here is the definition of liberal. I relate to all of the points. Except #15. Since we don't have any liberal party in the US. I am a liberal. I am not pretending anything, and you don't get to define me.

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1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
2. (often initial capital letter) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism, especially the freedom of the individual and governmental guarantees of individual rights and liberties.
4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, especially as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, especially with respect to matters of personal belief or expression:
a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.
6. of or relating to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.
7. free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant:
a liberal attitude toward foreigners.
8. open-minded or tolerant, especially free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.
9. characterized by generosity and willingness to give in large amounts:
a liberal donor.
10. given freely or abundantly; generous:
a liberal donation.
11. not strict or rigorous; free; not literal:
a liberal interpretation of a rule.
12. of, relating to, or based on the liberal arts.
13. of, relating to, or befitting a freeman.
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14. a person of liberal principles or views, especially in politics or religion.
15. (often initial capital letter) a member of a liberal party in politics, especially of the Liberal party in Great Britain.

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10 Nov 2016, 1:06 am

i can't be bothered saying much about this, and i will not be drawn into discussion, but the trump we saw during the campaign will not be the same as he will be during his presidency.
he is a genius of "product placement" and branding (a la his business acumen) and he capitalized upon the "bad boy image".
he seemed to portray braveness in saying stuff that he knew he would be crucified for by the press and the bleeding hearts PC people.
clinton on the other hand came across like a yapping terrier who just sprouted the same old banal but PC stuff.

his acceptance speech was very good and moderate.
putin respects him.
turnbull (our australian prime minister), who is a self made multi millionaire (about 250 million i think he's worth) respects him
merkel seems quite happy about it and i think the middle eastern region may cool off slightly in the coming years.

whatever i can't be bothered to think about it any more because i want to think about something else.



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10 Nov 2016, 2:08 am

I'll say one thing for him - he know how to get what he wants! He seems to have a brand of chutzpah which somehow causes any scandals to simply wash off him. He's super ambitious and wanted the highest position in the land and against all odds, using his own way of doing things he made it. He offended many - now let's see if he's capable of building bridges instead of literal or figurative walls.


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10 Nov 2016, 3:45 am

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so it's not so much that it's (necessarily) bad as it is unreliable. and of course, besides very long waiting times for consultations, most doctors you'll come across in the public system will be bad-tempered and unwilling to really listen to you. in other states, there are very serious problems with the public healthcare system in general, but in my state (which is the wealthiest one in the country) i think that's the biggest difference between public and private

it still sounds better than what we have, especially now that rump will eliminate the medical safety net we call PPACA.



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10 Nov 2016, 5:49 am

0regonGuy wrote:
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0regonGuy wrote:
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she lost florida which lowers her chances of winning drastically. it will come down to Michigan this time and she is losing there bigtime. I am afraid the doomsday countdown clock has started.


She has already lost Michigan too, and Wisconsin and Ohio and North Carolina. Trump will win the election, but not the popular vote. Great system we have isn't it? :x


Well it doesn't seem much like what you earlier described as if it were already and established fact that Clinton had already won. If I were old enough to vote, what you posted might have talked me out of it. But now I know better.


So you are impressed with the outcome? Clinton winning the popular vote and Trump winning the election? The entire US political system is a scam. The only thing I was wrong about was who the oligarchists were going to make president. The election proves that it is not the decision of the majority of Americans.



This is the current popular vote:

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Unlike you apparently, I'm into facts. Rather than predictions and myths.


No you are not into facts. You are into cherry picking.


No, I was posting the live results of the popular vote at that moment in history. You were saying Clinton had already won the popular vote as if it had concluded, which it had not at that time.

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Hillary Clinton 59,626,695 votes (47.7%) Donald Trump 59,428,493 votes (47.5%)

Hillary Clinton lost the election but is winning the popular vote


This wasn't the case at the time you said Clinton had already past tense already won the popular vote. Just like you said Clinton had already won the electoral college. It doesn't matter if you were right or wrong after the fact, what matters is you were saying things had already taken place when they hadn't yet.



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10 Nov 2016, 5:52 am

this is so discouraging. there is no hope.



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10 Nov 2016, 6:00 am

The Republicans have been in control before and you survived...

If he screws up he'll lose big time in 2020.


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10 Nov 2016, 6:04 am

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The Republicans have been in control before and you survived...If he screws up he'll lose big time in 2020.

as an aside, there is a real chance he will overreach and be impeached for stepping on the wrong toes. then i'll be stuck with pence who is even worse. anyways, the difference between the last repub and this one, is back then individual health insurance was not as punitively priced as it is now, and with the PPACA subsidies removed it will be utterly unaffordable [costing more than I make], resulting in possible bankruptcy/homelessness for me. that is why I am scared.



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10 Nov 2016, 6:04 am

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i can't be bothered saying much about this, and i will not be drawn into discussion, but the trump we saw during the campaign will not be the same as he will be during his presidency.
he is a genius of "product placement" and branding (a la his business acumen) and he capitalized upon the "bad boy image".
he seemed to portray braveness in saying stuff that he knew he would be crucified for by the press and the bleeding hearts PC people.
clinton on the other hand came across like a yapping terrier who just sprouted the same old banal but PC stuff.

his acceptance speech was very good and moderate.
putin respects him.
turnbull (our australian prime minister), who is a self made multi millionaire (about 250 million i think he's worth) respects him
merkel seems quite happy about it and i think the middle eastern region may cool off slightly in the coming years.

whatever i can't be bothered to think about it any more because i want to think about something else.


I feel about the same way in everything you said, especially the last part. I think it's people like us who are not all emotionally wrapped in this, who can view it calmly and objectively and then move on to something else.



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10 Nov 2016, 6:06 am

EzraS wrote:
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i can't be bothered saying much about this, and i will not be drawn into discussion, but the trump we saw during the campaign will not be the same as he will be during his presidency.
he is a genius of "product placement" and branding (a la his business acumen) and he capitalized upon the "bad boy image".
he seemed to portray braveness in saying stuff that he knew he would be crucified for by the press and the bleeding hearts PC people.
clinton on the other hand came across like a yapping terrier who just sprouted the same old banal but PC stuff.

his acceptance speech was very good and moderate.
putin respects him.
turnbull (our australian prime minister), who is a self made multi millionaire (about 250 million i think he's worth) respects him
merkel seems quite happy about it and i think the middle eastern region may cool off slightly in the coming years.

whatever i can't be bothered to think about it any more because i want to think about something else.


I feel about the same way in everything you said, including the last part. I think it's people like us who are not all emotionally embroiled in this, who can view it calmly and objectively and then move on to something else.

when it personally affects you [I surely hope you can avoid this permanently] then you will see how much it hurts.



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10 Nov 2016, 6:14 am

auntblabby wrote:
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b9 wrote:
i can't be bothered saying much about this, and i will not be drawn into discussion, but the trump we saw during the campaign will not be the same as he will be during his presidency.
he is a genius of "product placement" and branding (a la his business acumen) and he capitalized upon the "bad boy image".
he seemed to portray braveness in saying stuff that he knew he would be crucified for by the press and the bleeding hearts PC people.
clinton on the other hand came across like a yapping terrier who just sprouted the same old banal but PC stuff.

his acceptance speech was very good and moderate.
putin respects him.
turnbull (our australian prime minister), who is a self made multi millionaire (about 250 million i think he's worth) respects him
merkel seems quite happy about it and i think the middle eastern region may cool off slightly in the coming years.

whatever i can't be bothered to think about it any more because i want to think about something else.


I feel about the same way in everything you said, including the last part. I think it's people like us who are not all emotionally embroiled in this, who can view it calmly and objectively and then move on to something else.

when it personally affects you [I surely hope you can avoid this permanently] then you will see how much it hurts.


How or why should I hurt over what has not happened yet? I guess I'm only able to react to present tense situations. Right now Trump hasn't done anything. He's not the president yet. Right now it seems the thing for me to do is to go along with what both Clinton and Obama said in their speeches about the future Trump presidency and occupy my mind with other matters in the meantime.



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10 Nov 2016, 6:17 am

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How or why should I hurt over what has not happened yet? I guess I'm only able to react to present tense situations. Right now Trump hasn't done anything. He's not the president yet. Right now it seems the thing for me to do is to go along with what both Clinton and Obama said in their speeches about the future Trump presidency and occupy my mind with other matters in the meantime.

you have a resilience and steadiness of mind that I wished I could have.



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10 Nov 2016, 6:26 am

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How or why should I hurt over what has not happened yet? I guess I'm only able to react to present tense situations. Right now Trump hasn't done anything. He's not the president yet. Right now it seems the thing for me to do is to go along with what both Clinton and Obama said in their speeches about the future Trump presidency and occupy my mind with other matters in the meantime.

you have a resilience and steadiness of mind that I wished I could have.


When things are actually in the course of happening, there are times when I am badly affected by stress and anxiety. Even though the situation works out alright. That was the case when I was in the process of going back to school and being moved into another house at the same time.



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10 Nov 2016, 6:54 am

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How or why should I hurt over what has not happened yet? I guess I'm only able to react to present tense situations. Right now Trump hasn't done anything. He's not the president yet. Right now it seems the thing for me to do is to go along with what both Clinton and Obama said in their speeches about the future Trump presidency and occupy my mind with other matters in the meantime.

you have a resilience and steadiness of mind that I wished I could have.


When things are actually in the course of happening, there are times when I am badly affected by stress and anxiety. Even though the situation works out alright. That was the case when I was in the process of going back to school and being moved into another house at the same time.

when I was your age I would have been similarly affected.