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13 May 2017, 12:31 pm

I noticed in his speech today that Trump mentioned God quite a bit.

The Atlantic:
Trump: ‘In America We Do Not Worship Government, We Worship God’. After a week of chaos in Washington, the president finally found a friendly crowd at Liberty University.

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“Here I am, standing before you as president of the United States,” he said. “I am guessing that some people here today thought that ... would really require major help from God.”


Kinda funny, but kinda scary too.



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15 May 2017, 12:40 am

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If you want a civil war then keep supporting this because that is where this is heading, you think if they do manage to overthrow Trump that the next president will have any authority? This is the end of the United States, if their is no reciprocation then there is nothing left to do besides kill each other. You'll have to worry about a lot more than a forest station being occupied. Remember what JFK said about democratic revolution, by denying it you're making violent revolution inevitable.

There hasn't been a peaceful transfer of power, this democracy is a joke and facade. Democrat 'resistance' is destroying this country.


Lets not get carried away. virtually all the anti-Trump protest has been non-violent. The right have eagerly scoured for footage of riots to stir up the redneck masses.



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15 May 2017, 1:08 am

cyberdad wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
If you want a civil war then keep supporting this because that is where this is heading, you think if they do manage to overthrow Trump that the next president will have any authority? This is the end of the United States, if their is no reciprocation then there is nothing left to do besides kill each other. You'll have to worry about a lot more than a forest station being occupied. Remember what JFK said about democratic revolution, by denying it you're making violent revolution inevitable.

There hasn't been a peaceful transfer of power, this democracy is a joke and facade. Democrat 'resistance' is destroying this country.


Lets not get carried away. virtually all the anti-Trump protest has been non-violent. The right have eagerly scoured for footage of riots to stir up the redneck masses.


Peaceful? Hardly. The definition of peaceful in this case seems defined by protests which lack vandalism, arson and physical assaults - of which there have still been a plenitude of for which scouring for footage is hardly necessary.

There's hours of footage of insane Trump derangement behavior readily and permanently available. But even barring those extremes, they've hardly been all that peaceful. Or dignified for that matter.

All those scores of liberals acting exactly the way they predicted the rednecks would act. Showing the world the new term for a redneck, a deplorable, a radical, a drama-queen, a paranoiac etc is, a liberal with Trump derangement syndrome.

And now the derangement has taken the form of a 17th century style witch hunt. I expect the final results of this to be inconclusive. But if there's an actual not guilty verdict, will it lead to further violent protests? Probably.



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15 May 2017, 2:06 am

EzraS wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
If you want a civil war then keep supporting this because that is where this is heading, you think if they do manage to overthrow Trump that the next president will have any authority? This is the end of the United States, if their is no reciprocation then there is nothing left to do besides kill each other. You'll have to worry about a lot more than a forest station being occupied. Remember what JFK said about democratic revolution, by denying it you're making violent revolution inevitable.

There hasn't been a peaceful transfer of power, this democracy is a joke and facade. Democrat 'resistance' is destroying this country.


Lets not get carried away. virtually all the anti-Trump protest has been non-violent. The right have eagerly scoured for footage of riots to stir up the redneck masses.


Peaceful? Hardly. The definition of peaceful in this case seems defined by protests which lack vandalism, arson and physical assaults - of which there have still been a plenitude of for which scouring for footage is hardly necessary.

There's hours of footage of insane Trump derangement behavior readily and permanently available. But even barring those extremes, they've hardly been all that peaceful. Or dignified for that matter.

All those scores of liberals acting exactly the way they predicted the rednecks would act. Showing the world the new term for a redneck, a deplorable, a radical, a drama-queen, a paranoiac etc is, a liberal with Trump derangement syndrome.

And now the derangement has taken the form of a 17th century style witch hunt. I expect the final results of this to be inconclusive. But if there's an actual not guilty verdict, will it lead to further violent protests? Probably.


The violent protestors don't represent the rank and file democrat supporters who are by and large lower-middle class workers and students who are (on average) more educated than the average republican nutjob



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15 May 2017, 3:59 am

cyberdad wrote:
EzraS wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
If you want a civil war then keep supporting this because that is where this is heading, you think if they do manage to overthrow Trump that the next president will have any authority? This is the end of the United States, if their is no reciprocation then there is nothing left to do besides kill each other. You'll have to worry about a lot more than a forest station being occupied. Remember what JFK said about democratic revolution, by denying it you're making violent revolution inevitable.

There hasn't been a peaceful transfer of power, this democracy is a joke and facade. Democrat 'resistance' is destroying this country.


Lets not get carried away. virtually all the anti-Trump protest has been non-violent. The right have eagerly scoured for footage of riots to stir up the redneck masses.


Peaceful? Hardly. The definition of peaceful in this case seems defined by protests which lack vandalism, arson and physical assaults - of which there have still been a plenitude of for which scouring for footage is hardly necessary.

There's hours of footage of insane Trump derangement behavior readily and permanently available. But even barring those extremes, they've hardly been all that peaceful. Or dignified for that matter.

All those scores of liberals acting exactly the way they predicted the rednecks would act. Showing the world the new term for a redneck, a deplorable, a radical, a drama-queen, a paranoiac etc is, a liberal with Trump derangement syndrome.

And now the derangement has taken the form of a 17th century style witch hunt. I expect the final results of this to be inconclusive. But if there's an actual not guilty verdict, will it lead to further violent protests? Probably.


The violent protestors don't represent the rank and file democrat supporters who are by and large lower-middle class workers and students who are (on average) more educated than the average republican nutjob


Actually those actions do represent them. That's what the liberal democrat side is associated with now. Violence and paranoia. That's why you keep encountering it and keep having to make disclaimers.

And these are supposedly better educated people who have lower paying jobs than their supposedly less educated counterparts? That seems pretty non sequitur to me.

And if you're going to generalize who the nutjobs are, it's clearly the average democrat who's taken on the role of nutjob via democrats making death threats to electors, grand scale vandalism, arson, spitting in police officers faces, punching people out, trying to set people on fire, dressing up as genitalia and on and on.

Not the lest of which is a revival of McCarthyism style paranoia over Russia and the absurd blacklist witch hunt type investigations that go along with it, with a former SNL comedian and a fake Indian at the forefront demanding a special prosecutor.

All you have to do is detach yourself from the political ideology you've let yourself get indoctrinated into, and see things in a nonpartisan objective way.



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15 May 2017, 8:39 am

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Actually those actions do represent them. That's what the liberal democrat side is associated with now. Violence and paranoia.

Only in your mind Ezra.



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15 May 2017, 9:33 am

androbot01 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Actually those actions do represent them. That's what the liberal democrat side is associated with now. Violence and paranoia.

Only in your mind Ezra.


if people can say trump supporters are violent because one old guy sucker punched somebody at a rally and Trump made some mean jokes then I think it's okay say anti-Trumpers are violent for their series of riots and insane rhetoric.



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15 May 2017, 9:38 am

Jacoby wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Actually those actions do represent them. That's what the liberal democrat side is associated with now. Violence and paranoia.

Only in your mind Ezra.


if people can say trump supporters are violent because one old guy sucker punched somebody at a rally and Trump made some mean jokes then I think it's okay say anti-Trumpers are violent for their series of riots and insane rhetoric.

So there are extremists on both sides. Wow, who knew?

My point is that the demonstrators are their own group. There are plenty of nonviolent people who support and don't support Trump. Dismissing the issues Trump brings to the table because of this is ostrichlike.



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15 May 2017, 9:51 am

androbot01 wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Actually those actions do represent them. That's what the liberal democrat side is associated with now. Violence and paranoia.

Only in your mind Ezra.


if people can say trump supporters are violent because one old guy sucker punched somebody at a rally and Trump made some mean jokes then I think it's okay say anti-Trumpers are violent for their series of riots and insane rhetoric.

So there are extremists on both sides. Wow, who knew?

My point is that the demonstrators are their own group. There are plenty of nonviolent people who support and don't support Trump. Dismissing the issues Trump brings to the table because of this is ostrichlike.


You and a bunch of other people are being hypocrites since you feigned so much outrage about Trump's campaign 'encouraging violence' when the entire time it has been leftists that are the main perpetrators of political violence in this country and were behind almost every incidence during the campaign. Understandable that you disagree since it completely knocks the legs out of your argument but you can't change that now. Those Trump rally violence threads would probably be a good bump.



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15 May 2017, 10:02 am

Jacoby wrote:
You and a bunch of other people are being hypocrites since you feigned so much outrage about Trump's campaign 'encouraging violence' when the entire time it has been leftists that are the main perpetrators of political violence in this country and were behind almost every incidence during the campaign. Understandable that you disagree since it completely knocks the legs out of your argument but you can't change that now. Those Trump rally violence threads would probably be a good bump.

Strawmen, threats and obfuscation. Are you capable of discussing the issues?



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15 May 2017, 10:26 am

androbot01 wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
You and a bunch of other people are being hypocrites since you feigned so much outrage about Trump's campaign 'encouraging violence' when the entire time it has been leftists that are the main perpetrators of political violence in this country and were behind almost every incidence during the campaign. Understandable that you disagree since it completely knocks the legs out of your argument but you can't change that now. Those Trump rally violence threads would probably be a good bump.

Strawmen, threats and obfuscation. Are you capable of discussing the issues?


I talk about the issues more than anyone, some people are just too dense to reciprocate. Would you like to participate now?



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15 May 2017, 10:34 am

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Would you like to participate now?

Participate in what? Legitimizing your delusions?



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15 May 2017, 10:40 am

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Would you like to participate now?

Participate in what? Legitimizing your delusions?


Says the person who thinks Trump is a Russian Manchurian candidate, okay. :lol:

Putin gets 3 scoops of ice cream btw 8O



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15 May 2017, 11:03 am

androbot01 wrote:
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Actually those actions do represent them. That's what the liberal democrat side is associated with now. Violence and paranoia.

Only in your mind Ezra.


My mind must extend to countess people who have been making YouTube videos and comments, blog entries, forum posts and Tweets saying that's how they view liberal democrats since last November.

androbot01 wrote:
Strawmen, threats and obfuscation.


Only in your mind Anne :wink:



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16 May 2017, 9:01 am

EzraS wrote:
All you have to do is detach yourself from the political ideology you've let yourself get indoctrinated into, and see things in a nonpartisan objective way.

I am open to accept there are crazies on the democrat side as well. However don't you think the "non-violent" folk in the republican party are at best hiding their heads in the proverbial sand whenever trump says or does something embarrassing



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16 May 2017, 10:17 pm

I've been without a computer since last week, so I'm stepping late into this conversation. Very likely this has already been said, but the most obvious reasons why Trump fired Comey was because:
1) Trump wanted to stop Comey's investigation into his Russia ties.
2) During their personal dinner, Trump had asked Comey to lay off of Flynn, and to swear an oath of loyalty to him. Comey told him no on both counts.
For Trump to pull this stunt is indeed a constitutional crisis, similar to Nixon's firing of the Watergate special prosecutor, Archibald Cox. In both cases, a delusional President thought himself above the law in obstructing justice.


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