RIP Russiagate
Not mentioned in my last post, but Trump was a dirty businessman who should have been behind bars.
In fact, the majority of Americans feel Trump was not exonerated, and that congress should investigate him.
It's interesting watching political suicide take place. First the Russiagate flop, then the Michael Cohen hearing flop. Can't wait to see what's next. MOAR! as they say. Hope they don't get so tangled up in frivolous investigations, that they forget they need a candidate to win the next election.
Trump is in fact about to commit political suicide, as he's been emboldened to get rid of the ACA without a replacement. How do you think millions of Americans are going to react when their health care is taken away?
That depends on if that's what actually happens, or if that's just the way the media is spinning it.
Hopefully the first result is that all those who couldn't afford the thousands for mandatory obamacare, won't have to pay hundreds in fines when they file their taxes in the next three weeks.
And what about the millions who may potentially lose their health coverage through no fault of their own? You know, the people who Republicans have never really cared about.
So it's weighing those who did have their healthcare taken away from them by Obama and get fined hundreds of dollars, against those who may potentially have their healthcare taken away from them by trump.
Not at all. Obamacare could simply be fixed to take care of fines and such. What Trump and his party seems to have planned is kicking off those people who did get medical care for a few years.
The fines are just the salt rubbed in the wound of unaffordable healthcare they don't have. And if fixing obamacare was simple, then why didn't Obama fix his own mess? Obama is the one who did in fact did take away people's healthcare. The worst trump would be doing is leveling the playing field. But I doubt that's his plan despite what CNN tells you.
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Not mentioned in my last post, but Trump was a dirty businessman who should have been behind bars.
In fact, the majority of Americans feel Trump was not exonerated, and that congress should investigate him.
It's interesting watching political suicide take place. First the Russiagate flop, then the Michael Cohen hearing flop. Can't wait to see what's next. MOAR! as they say. Hope they don't get so tangled up in frivolous investigations, that they forget they need a candidate to win the next election.
Trump is in fact about to commit political suicide, as he's been emboldened to get rid of the ACA without a replacement. How do you think millions of Americans are going to react when their health care is taken away?
That depends on if that's what actually happens, or if that's just the way the media is spinning it.
Hopefully the first result is that all those who couldn't afford the thousands for mandatory obamacare, won't have to pay hundreds in fines when they file their taxes in the next three weeks.
And what about the millions who may potentially lose their health coverage through no fault of their own? You know, the people who Republicans have never really cared about.
So it's weighing those who did have their healthcare taken away from them by Obama and get fined hundreds of dollars, against those who may potentially have their healthcare taken away from them by trump.
Not at all. Obamacare could simply be fixed to take care of fines and such. What Trump and his party seems to have planned is kicking off those people who did get medical care for a few years.
The fines are just the salt rubbed in the wound of unaffordable healthcare they don't have. And if fixing obamacare was simple, then why didn't Obama fix his own mess? Obama is the one who did in fact did take away people's healthcare. The worst trump would be doing is leveling the playing field. But I doubt that's his plan despite what CNN tells you.
Leveling the playing field by taking health care from millions? How is that leveling anything?
Yes, Obamacare is a flawed program (it was originally a Republican plan, after all), and Obama should have gone to single payer. The problem is, Republicans are just as much opposed to that as they are to the ACA, because they don't believe those without are worthy of health care, or anything that would improve their lives.
Trump had promised to institute single payer, but that promise seems to have been forgotten.
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Because millions lost the healthcare they had when obamacare took it away from them.
Instead of punishing people for something that's not even their fault, why not give everyone health care coverage?
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Because millions lost the healthcare they had when obamacare took it away from them.
Instead of punishing people for something that's not even their fault, why not give everyone health care coverage?
Lets see there are those who had their healthcare taken away and then got nailed with heavy fines.
Then there are those who didn't have healthcare in the first place who got nailed with heavy fines when obamacare became mandatory.
That's who has been getting punished the last few years.
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Because millions lost the healthcare they had when obamacare took it away from them.
Instead of punishing people for something that's not even their fault, why not give everyone health care coverage?
Lets see there are those who had their healthcare taken away and then got nailed with heavy fines.
Then there are those who didn't have healthcare in the first place who got nailed with heavy fines when obamacare became mandatory.
That's who has been getting pushed the last few years.
Getting "pushed?" Do you mean getting punished?
Those who get their healthcare taken from them by Trump would be punished.
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Because millions lost the healthcare they had when obamacare took it away from them.
Instead of punishing people for something that's not even their fault, why not give everyone health care coverage?
Lets see there are those who had their healthcare taken away and then got nailed with heavy fines.
Then there are those who didn't have healthcare in the first place who got nailed with heavy fines when obamacare became mandatory.
That's who has been getting pushed the last few years.
Getting "pushed?" Do you mean getting punished?
Those who get their healthcare taken from them by Trump would be punished.
Yes I meant punished. Those who got their healthcare taken away from them by Obama.
They have been punished for years for not being able to afford expensive obamacare. Deprived then also punished with unconstitutional fines. This is a fact. What you're talking about so far is just a theory.
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Because millions lost the healthcare they had when obamacare took it away from them.
Instead of punishing people for something that's not even their fault, why not give everyone health care coverage?
Lets see there are those who had their healthcare taken away and then got nailed with heavy fines.
Then there are those who didn't have healthcare in the first place who got nailed with heavy fines when obamacare became mandatory.
That's who has been getting pushed the last few years.
Getting "pushed?" Do you mean getting punished?
Those who get their healthcare taken from them by Trump would be punished.
Yes I meant punished. Those who got their healthcare taken away from them by Obama.
They have been punished for years for not being able to afford expensive obamacare. Deprived then also punished with unconstitutional fines. This is a fact. What you're talking about so far is just a theory.
More than a theory; it's Trump's intent.
I will concede that Obamacare was flawed, but at least the Dems tried. What have the Republicans done for the health of all Americans?
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Can you provide any proof that is his intent?
They failed miserably and robbed millions.
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Can you provide any proof that is his intent?
They failed miserably and robbed millions.
A narcissist like Trump lives to undo everything Obama had done, which is the real reason behind pulling out of the Iran deal. He's behaving like the ancient Egyptian Pharaohs who would remove the names of their predecessors from monuments in order to take credit. So far, congressional Republicans say there is no GOP health care plan to replace the ACA, nor will there be.
Seriously? Robbed millions? And what about the millions who got health care coverage under Obama? Don't they matter?
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Can you provide any proof that is his intent?
They failed miserably and robbed millions.
A narcissist like Trump lives to undo everything Obama had done, which is the real reason behind pulling out of the Iran deal. He's behaving like the ancient Egyptian Pharaohs who would remove the names of their predecessors from monuments in order to take credit. So far, congressional Republicans say there is no GOP health care plan to replace the ACA, nor will there be.
Seriously? Robbed millions? And what about the millions who got health care coverage under Obama? Don't they matter?
Don't those who have already had their healthcare taken away matter?
Don't those who had their healthcare taken away and got fined hundreds of dollars a year matter?
Don't those who didn't have healthcare and couldn't afford mandatory obamacare and got fined hundreds of dollars a year matter?
You don't seem to care one bit about those who have been already been robbed of their healthcare and those who have been robbed hundreds of dollars a year in fines. You have never said anything like "that's awful", you just give a lawyer like dismissal of "I will concede that Obamacare was flawed, but at least the Dems tried". Tell me how much it sucks that those millions have suffered so much already, before expecting me to express sorrow over something that hasn't even happened yet.
This is Trump's actual statement of his plans regarding healthcare:
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/201 ... ip-vpx.cnn
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Can you provide any proof that is his intent?
They failed miserably and robbed millions.
A narcissist like Trump lives to undo everything Obama had done, which is the real reason behind pulling out of the Iran deal. He's behaving like the ancient Egyptian Pharaohs who would remove the names of their predecessors from monuments in order to take credit. So far, congressional Republicans say there is no GOP health care plan to replace the ACA, nor will there be.
Seriously? Robbed millions? And what about the millions who got health care coverage under Obama? Don't they matter?
Don't those who have already had their healthcare taken away matter?
Don't those who had their healthcare taken away and got fined hundreds of dollars a year matter?
Don't those who didn't have healthcare and couldn't afford mandatory obamacare and got fined hundreds of dollars a year matter?
You don't seem to care one bit about those who have been already been robbed of their healthcare and those who have been robbed hundreds of dollars a year in fines. You have never said anything like "that's awful", you just give a lawyer like dismissal of "I will concede that Obamacare was flawed, but at least the Dems tried". Tell me how much it sucks that those millions have suffered so much already, before expecting me to express sorrow over something that hasn't even happened yet.
What they hell are you talking about?!?! I said everyone should be covered, which is why I support single payer.
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You know perfectly well what I'm talking about. You just don't want to acknowledge that obamacare massively screwed over millions of people.
And you know that Trump's statement is that he wants to deliver a better plan than obamacare, as is presented here on CNN: https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/201 ... ip-vpx.cnn
So now we have to speculate, will he or won't he.
I think he will because outdoing Obama will be more satisfying to his ego than just erasing obamacare.
And also because if he delivers on what he's talking about, it will greatly increase his chance of re-election.
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Lol trump tells over 8,500 lies on his first 2 years in office and you’re going to believe that he’s going to deliver a better healthcare plan/system to the American people? ![]()
The guy already has ample opportunity. He wanted to repeal and replace Obamacare, but had exactly nothing to replace it with!
I’m betting it’s the same nothing he has now and the only reason he’s talking healthcare is to get re-elected - that’s it, that’s all. There is no plan for healthcare, only a plan to have his healthcare lie believed by enough desperate people to get re-elected.
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The guy already has ample opportunity. He wanted to repeal and replace Obamacare, but had exactly nothing to replace it with!
I’m betting it’s the same nothing he has now and the only reason he’s talking healthcare is to get re-elected - that’s it, that’s all. There is no plan for healthcare, only a plan to have his healthcare lie believed by enough desperate people to get re-elected.
What happens or not remains to be seen.
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The Real Costs of Russiagate Its perpetrators, not Putin or Trump, “attacked American democracy.”
But what about the legions of high-ranking intelligence officials, politicians, editorial writers, television producers, and other opinion-makers, and their eager media outlets that perpetuated, inflated, and prolonged this unprecedented political scandal in American history—those who did not stop short of accusing the president of the United States of being a Kremlin “agent,” “asset,” “puppet,” “Manchurian candidate,” and who characterized his conduct and policies as “treasonous”? (These and other examples are cited in my book War with Russia? From Putin and Ukraine to Trump and Russiagate, and in a recent piece by Paul Starobin in City Journal.) Will they now apologize, as decency requires, or, more importantly, explain their motives so that we might understand and avoid another such national trauma?
Contrary to a number of major media outlets, from Bloomberg News to The Wall Street Journal, nor does Mueller’s exculpatory finding actually mean that “Russiagate…is dead” and indeed that “it expired in an instant.” Such conclusions reveal a lack of historical and political understanding. Nearly three years of Russiagate’s toxic allegations have entered the American political-media elite bloodstream, and they almost certainly will reappear again and again in one form of another.
This is an exceedingly grave danger, because the real costs of Russiagate are not the estimated $25–40 million spent on the Mueller investigation but the corrosive damage it has already done to the institutions of American democracy—damage done not by an alleged “Trump-Putin axis” but by Russsigate’s perpetrators themselves. Having examined this collateral damage in my recently published book War with Russia? From Putin and Ukraine to Trump and Russiagate, I will only note them here.
§ Clamorous allegations that the Kremlin “attacked our elections” and thereby put Trump in the White House, despite the lack of any evidence, cast doubt on the legitimacy of American elections everywhere—national, state, and local. If true, or even suspected, how can voters have confidence in the electoral foundations of American democracy? Persistent demands to “secure our elections from hostile powers”— a politically and financially profitable mania, it seems—can only further abet and perpetuate declining confidence in the entire electoral process. Still more, if some crude Russian social-media outputs could so dupe voters, what does this tell us about what US elites, which originated these allegations, really think of those voters, of the American people?
§ Defamatory Russsiagate allegations that Trump was a “Kremlin puppet” and thus “illegitimate” were aimed at the president but hit the presidency itself, degrading the institution, bringing it under suspicion, casting doubt on its legitimacy. And if an “agent of a hostile foreign power” could occupy the White House once, a “Manchurian candidate,” why not again? Will Republicans be able to resist making such allegations against a future Democratic president? In any event, Hillary Clinton’s failed campaign manager, Robby Mook, has already told us th
Mainstream media are, of course, a foundational institution of American democracy, especially national ones, newspapers and television, with immense influence inside the Beltway and, in ramifying synergic ways, throughout the country. Their Russiagate media malpractice, as I have termed it, may have been the worst such episode in modern American history. No mainstream media did anything to expose, for example, two crucial and fraudulent Russiagate documents—the so-called Steele Dossier and the January 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment—but instead relied heavily on them for their own narratives. Little more need be said here about this institutional self-degradation. Glenn Greenwald and a few others followed and exposed it throughout, and now Matt Taibbi has given us a meticulously documented account of that systematic malpractice, concluding that Mueller’s failure to confirm the media’s Russiagate allegations “is a death-blow for the reputation of the American news media.”
Nor, it must be added, was this entirely inadvertent or accidental. On August 8, 2016, the trend-setting New York Times published on its front page an astonishing editorial manifesto by its media critic. Asking whether “normal standards” should apply to candidate Trump, he explained that they should not: “You have to throw out the textbook American journalism has been using for the better part of the past half-century.” Let others decide whether this Times proclamation unleashed the highly selective, unbalanced, questionably factual “journalism” that has so degraded Russiagate media or instead the publication sought to justify what was already underway. In either case, this remarkable—and ramifying—Times rejection of its own professed standards should not be forgotten. Almost equally remarkable and lamentable, we learn that even now, after Mueller’s finding is known, top executives of the Times and other leading Russiagate media outlets, including The Washington Post and CNN, “have no regrets.”
§ For better or worse, America has a two-party political system, which means that the Democratic Party is also a foundational institution. Little more also need be pointed out regarding its self-degrading role in the Russiagate fraud. Leading members of the party initiated, inflated, and prolonged it. They did nothing to prevent inquisitors like Representatives Adam Schiff and Eric Swalwell from becoming the cable-news face of the party. Or to rein in or disassociate the party from the outlandish excesses of “The Resistance.” With very few exceptions, elected and other leading Democrats did nothing to stop—and therefore further abetted—the institutional damage being done by Russiagate allegations. As for Mueller’s finding,the party’s virtual network, MSNBC, remains undeterred. Rachael Maddow continues to hype “the underlying reality that Russia did in fact attack us.” By any reasonable definition of “attack,” no, it did not, and scarcely any allegation could be more recklessly warmongering, a perception the Democratic Party will for this and other Russiagate commissions have to endure, or not. (When Mueller’s full report is published, we will see if he too indulged in this dangerous absurdity. A few passages in the summary suggest he might have done so.)
Finally, but potentially not least, the new Cold War with Russia has itself become an institution pervading American political, economic, media, and cultural life. Russiagate has made it more dangerous, more fraught with actual war, than the Cold War we survived, as I explain in War with Russia? Recall only that Russiagate allegations further demonized “Putin’s Russia,” thwarted Trump’s necessary attempts to “cooperate with Russia” as somehow “treasonous,” criminalized détente thinking and “inappropriate contacts with Russia”—in short, policies and practices that previously helped to avert nuclear war. Meanwhile, the Russiagate spectacle has caused many ordinary Russians who once admired America to now be “derisive and scornful” toward our political life.
The scarce good news it is that some Russian officials hope Mueller’s Russiagate exoneration of Trump will enable the president to resume his attempts to cooperate with Moscow.
The editor of The New Yorker, itself an ardent Russiagate publication, asks whether “the moral and material corruption [Trump] has inflicted will be with us for a long while.” Perhaps. But the institutional costs of Russiagate are likely to be with us for even longer.
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