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Like that doesn't describe conservative politicians who live in mansions and drive limos in the least! Did you know Trump's own chauffeur is suing him for denying him overtime for years?
Sure, there are rich liberals who get into politics. But the idea that they only help out people to get votes, or to trap people in poverty, is just a right wing projection. The right has used race to keep poor whites poor, but keep reminding them that they're supposed to be better at least than non-whites, and so remain happy with their lot in life.

You appeared to be insinuating a belief that the political left has such an aim. If that wasn't your point, then I misunderstood you. If that was your point, then it was legitimate for me to ask for evidence, and what I said about sleep deprivation was indeed also relevant, at least indirectly if not directly:


See above.


It's great that you've been able to achieve whatever degree of self-reliance you've been able to achieve -- but you'll never be able to achieve as much self-reliance as a non-disabled person could.

Personal responsibility and self-reliance are certainly desirable to whatever extent they are possible. The problem is when they are used as an excuse to reject needed government action on matters truly beyond the individual's control.


Some of this alleged micromangement is real, but some of it isn't. See my next post.

I'm having technical difficulties posting a particular reply, so I'll have to post it in parts to see what part is disappearing and why. Anyhow:

I agree that there are reasons to be concerned about the excesses of the PC mentality. However, at the same time, there are plenty of alleged excesses that have been greatly exaggerated, to say the least, in right-wing-leaning news sources. So I would be cautious about assuming that any particular outrageous-sounding alleged excess actually happened. It's good to double-check.


Just because you "heard it on the radio" doesn't mean it's accurate. I would be skeptical of this claim unless you can back it up from a reputable printed news source. Googling, I find stories about "no best friend" policies and I find stories about "zero tolerance" policies, but, so far, I haven't found both in the same story.

More later.

Liberals hate the working class.

Continuing my post above (to avoid a mysterious WP glitch):

"No best friend" policies (in favor of trying to get kids to have numerous friends) seem to be a trend that started in Europe and then spread to North America. Here's an article advocating it, from U.S. News and World Report, 2018.

But, as far as I can tell, there's no particular political group or movement that has been advocating this.

So where is it coming from? Is it just a policy that school officials came up with on their own? I can't tell.

But, as far as I can tell, whether one likes this policy or not, it's probably not fair to attribute it to any political movement.

More later.

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Final part of my reply to Ezra:

As for school zero-tolerance policies, much of the CRITICISM of them comes from the left:

- Zero-Tolerance Policies and the School to Prison Pipeline - Shared Justice
- Here’s Why a Zero-Tolerance Policy in Our Schools Is a Terrible Idea - AlterNet

as well as from libertarians:

- Here Are 10 Outrageous 'Zero Tolerance' Follies of 2014 - Reason

Some schools have a zero-tolerance no-hugging policy:

- Student Suspended for Breaking School's Zero-Tolerance No-Hugging Policy - Fox News, Published November 3, 2011; Last Update December 1, 2015.

Given the date of that last article, by the way, you can't blame the "Me Too" movement for this. Blame child sex abuse panics, which first got going in earnest back in the early 1980's and, alas, were endorsed by lots of people all over the political spectrum.

(Eventually they were also opposed by various people all over the people spectrum. This is an issue that has always crossed the traditional left-right divide, on both the pro and con sides, with too many people on both the left and the right being easily panicked into draconian measures to "protect children.")

Not just liberals (and, really, in a lot of cases you should call them "authoritarian progressives" rather than "liberals"). There are plenty of authoritarian tendencies on the right as well. There are plenty of religious right wingers who would like to bring back sodomy laws, for example. And you may have noticed the new extreme anti-abortion laws in some southern states?

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This makes no sense.

Do you, for example, consider the expansion of access to health care under the Affordable Care Act to be an example of "hating" the working class?

If you were saying merely that liberals/progressives have not done anywhere nearly enough for the working class, then I would agree with you. But liberals/progressives have certainly done a lot more for the working class than conservatives would ever be willing to do.

I was born in the working class - my dad worked at an aluminum plant, while my mom worked house keeping at a local hospital. After college, I worked low paying jobs washing pots and pans at first, then light industrial. There is no way I hate the working class. It's the liberals who have fought for workers rights, and for organized labor, while it's the right that's fought against those things.
And by the way, those ignoramuses I talked about hardly are synonymous with the working class, just those that enjoy being purposely ignorant. As a matter of fact, most businessmen and women when asked during interviews what books they've read, the answer invariably is: "I haven't read a book in years." Ignorance is the trait I hold in contempt, not class.

The ACA had already been passed by Mitt Rominee in Massachusetts. Obama and the Dems rolled over for big pharma and the insurance companies when they failed to implement single payer into ACA.

f**k the Democrats! They are actually worse than the Pubs because they are wolves in sheep's clothing! Anybody who still believes they care about the working people is living in a dream world.

Like the Republicans are all for unions, worker rights, and closing the wage gap. Last I checked, the Republicans were all for big business and the wealthy, while keeping working people in line with hot button issues like illegal immigration, Muslim immigration, gay marriage, etc, all the while said Republicans saw away at what working Americans have.

Both parties are bought and paid for by big business. Wake up! It won't kill you to see the truth. It may be troublesome to step out of the Left vs. Right paradigm, but you'll get over it. I did.

Yes wolves in sheep's clothing. That is exactly what I have been seeing. The way they keep touting themselves as Jesus Christ and Mother Teresa rolled into one. They are just as self centered, wealthy, greedy and power hungry as their opponents, but that doesn't keep them from caring about the little guy, which they do with all their heart. The only ones who care in fact. Humankind's only hope for salvation.

It is hard to believe some people fall so hard for that charade.

Even if that were true. How would it justify voting for a party that predominantly represent the rich and racist in the population? at least the democrats claim to represent the interests of the majority of Americans. The republicans seem to attract one kind.

Yep. Well said.

"If you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black."

Better yet, change pancreatic cancer to liver cancer, since that is definitely a death sentence. I have experience dealing with that, since it took my father In less than 3 months over 35 years ago. It also took a classmate of mine in August 2019, 2 days before his father died.