Trump withdraws troops Turkey/Syrian border, Republicans mad

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Don't put words in my mouth, please. I stated that U.S. involvement in Syria was during Obama's presidency. The Iraq war in on Bush, along with every Dem and Pub who voted in favor of it.

I also pointed out that we've been meddling in the Middle East for decades -- long before you and I were born.

Past presidents did same thing view speeches on media. Twitter wether we older people like it not has replaced tv as the media of choice.
Less and less people watch tv anymore. I’m sure trumps already talked to them before he announced it same as pas presidents did before they went on live tv and announced stuff. No one was like woah why didn’t Obama tell those people first it was just assumed he did. Try democrat running also post to twitters. Anyone wanting to reach the young generation of voting Americans is going to use twitter as that’s what those people use to get their news.

Trump apparently is happy for ISIS fighters to return to their home countries

I expect he'll get an earful from our allies in Europe.

Yes I can imagine these fighters will be more than happy to "make hay" while the opportunity presents itself.

We should never have let them go there. They should be put on trial in Syria and face the consequences.

That assumes the Kurds would give them to the Syrians? I'm wondering what Assad will do to Kurds fleeing Turkish bombs?

I've already said. Assad offered to protect them with the defense system in Afrin if they agreed to a truce but they refused. They deserve what is coming to them.

I'll freely admit to not being well informed in this regard, but aren't there several factions and groupings within the Kurds? Who exactly spoke for the Kurds and refused that offer?

YPG and YPJ

I assume the separatist elements within the Kurdish communities crossing borders. The PKK know there's a precedence for all this back in the 1990s when the KLB (Kosovo Liberation Army) successfully created a separate ethnic republic called Kosovo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo

The Albanian separatists had killed Serbian civilians in Bosnia so should have been proscribed/banned but were fortunate that the Americans were on the warpath with the Bosnian serbs (Slobodan Milosovic and his cronies) so the Kosovo safe zone was simply made a republic. The Bosnian state was demilitarised after the Bosnian war so was in no position to re-take Kosovo. The Albanians (to their credit) were too fierce.

This model almost worked for the PKK/Kurds except rather than one adversary they have three (Turkey, Syria and Iraq). Turkey is a NATO state and Syria is still run by a dictator in Assad. Secondly the Kurds never in their wildest dreams would think the Americans would betray them at the risk of exposing Europe to 11,000 ISIS fighters who will invariably infiltrate Europe now.

Looks like the Kurds are only the latest to not take into account the "Trump factor". Trump has been irrational over the Kurdish question as Beneficii has pointed out he has financial investment in Turkey through his Trump towers and is literally handing the Kurds over to the Turks.

Erdogan has no interest in the stability of the Arab states like Syria and Iraq so long as Turkish troops control the demilitarised zone. He and Assad also couldn't care about ISIS slipping into Europe as it's not their problem. Assad would be happy to see them leave Syria.

Any ISIS fighters hanging around will end up in torture camps in Turkey or Assad's regime so as their prisons are bombed they will be making a beeline for the EU hiding as refugees.

For all their efforts the Kurds are back to square one....if anything Erdogan will be making them pay big time and will be rounding up suspected PKK (basically Kurdish males between 18-60) for interrogation.

There's literally an argument now for Trump to be accused of collaborating (or at least negligence) in war crimes/human rights violations

If you're gonna write a load of unfounded horse s**t you don't need to turn it into an essay. The Kurds have been screwed over time and again by the US, it's their own fault if they've been dumb enough to do it again. No one done more damage that Bill Clinton when he armed and funded Turkey to massacre tens of thousands and then topped them up so they could consummate the massacre. But just ignore all that 'Cause derp Trump'. And that was a real massacre, not like the 'genocide' carried out by Milosevic. The US just went in cause he wasn't playing ball, nothing to do with human rights.

Assad won an election in 2014 and things were pretty fine in Syria until the Western backed 'uprising'. Of course Assad wants ISIS out of Syria Most of them are from Europe, but shouldn't be allowed to return. They should be tried in Syria, lined up against a wall and shot. The Kurds from Syria should have to integrate or go elsewhere and the ones from other countries should be deported.

The Kurds, Yazidi and (to a lesser extent) Iranians are the last remnants of the ancient Perisan empire have a more western outlook than their Arab (or even Turkish) neighbors but they are unfortunate to have found themselves in geopolitical circumstances that have found them on the wrong side of the Americans. The Iranians were unlucky that the Americans backed their Shah who was corrupt rather than their indigenous democratic movement.

I think the Kurds have remained optimistic that the Americans would be honourable in granting them autonomy in return for being an ally.

Their pipedream of an ethno is over.

The Kosovo Albanians would disagree...

Lol. Turkey or Syria isn't Yugoslavia. The West's intervention in Syria has just thrown a massive boomerang. If the US stays in the Middle East it will be the end of them. Anyone who wants them to stay there hates America. Trump can see it and that's why the arms industry and their puppet media hate him.