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22 Oct 2019, 5:25 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
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Even if a person isn't a lone murderer, or a member of a Nazi organization, if he or she takes to heart the Nazi ideology, then he or she is a Nazi. If a person doesn't believe in exterminating non-whites, so called race traitors, Jews, then he or she shouldn't worry about being implicated with the Neo-Nazi movement.

Says the guy who’s said in past anyone who voted for trump is a nazi.
Modern definition of nazi: anyone who’s not a liberal democrat.


Exactamundo. I see it being taken in that direction.


Those who espouse white supremacist or white nationalist ideology shouldn't be surprised to discover they're labelled as Nazis. Those who defend and enable the former also shouldn't be too surprised they're labelled as such.

There's an easy way to avoid this, don't espouse white supremacist rhetoric and don't make excuses for them. This notion that you and Sly are whining about really just sounds like someone has been triggered over a spade being properly labelled as a spade.


Liberals are very much into properly labeling people and it doesn't seem to take much, and is gradually taking less, for them to pin one on somebody who isn't one of them. Actually in reality the easiest way to avoid this is to become a liberal or at least try to sound like one.



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22 Oct 2019, 5:35 pm

EzraS wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
EzraS wrote:
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Even if a person isn't a lone murderer, or a member of a Nazi organization, if he or she takes to heart the Nazi ideology, then he or she is a Nazi. If a person doesn't believe in exterminating non-whites, so called race traitors, Jews, then he or she shouldn't worry about being implicated with the Neo-Nazi movement.

Says the guy who’s said in past anyone who voted for trump is a nazi.
Modern definition of nazi: anyone who’s not a liberal democrat.


Exactamundo. I see it being taken in that direction.


Those who espouse white supremacist or white nationalist ideology shouldn't be surprised to discover they're labelled as Nazis. Those who defend and enable the former also shouldn't be too surprised they're labelled as such.

There's an easy way to avoid this, don't espouse white supremacist rhetoric and don't make excuses for them. This notion that you and Sly are whining about really just sounds like someone has been triggered over a spade being properly labelled as a spade.


Liberals are very much into properly labeling people and it doesn't seem to take much, and is gradually taking less, for them to pin one on somebody who isn't one of them. Actually in reality the easiest way to avoid this is to become a liberal or at least try to sound like one.


So more blanket generalizations. lovely.


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22 Oct 2019, 6:38 pm

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Yes how dare someone supoort and defend the bill of rights and constitution. Defending freedom makes one a nazi. :roll:


I do not think anyone here has said that.


If one defends the constitution and thereby far right person who equally has rights under said constitution and was hit by illegal law that violates said constitution they’re w nazi.
That was was said.
That because me and Ezra are speaking out against the illegal constitution destroying law being used against this person we are therefor just as bad as said person,

For the record if a antifa or blm person was red flagged I’d also be speaking up against it.


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22 Oct 2019, 7:32 pm

EzraS wrote:
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EzraS wrote:
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EzraS wrote:
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Even if a person isn't a lone murderer, or a member of a Nazi organization, if he or she takes to heart the Nazi ideology, then he or she is a Nazi. If a person doesn't believe in exterminating non-whites, so called race traitors, Jews, then he or she shouldn't worry about being implicated with the Neo-Nazi movement.

Says the guy who’s said in past anyone who voted for trump is a nazi.
Modern definition of nazi: anyone who’s not a liberal democrat.


Exactamundo. I see it being taken in that direction.


That is untrue. A Nazi is a Nazi, not a Republican or libertarian. Why the urgency to use this argument to take a stand for the extreme right?


LOL I knew you would go to your default "why are you defending" routine. You are next to impossible to communicate with because you misinterpret so much of what I am saying which results in so many non sequitur replies from you.


I'm sorry, but that's the impression you're leaving me with. You seem to be saying that not all conservatives are Nazis - which is true - but also that far right extremists are being demonized with the Nazi label.


Like I said. You misinterpret what is actually being said. And on a strange level. Did you think to consider that your interpretation of me saying that mass murderers are being demonized by being called nazis makes no sense and that it's extremely unlikely I would say such a thing? And that maybe you shoud reread what I wrote or come up with a more likely interpretation?


When did I ever say anything about killers? Again, I said you seem to be saying that those on the far right shouldn't be demonized for being on the far right. You and Sly maintained I accused anyone of not being a liberal Democrat is a Nazi. No, I didn't.
The nut bar who's been arrested and his guns taken away clearly has aligned himself with a dangerous ideology that promotes murder and race hatred. He was hardly just a normal Republican voter. Funny that so many on the right would have no problem with a firearms seizure and an arrest of a Muslim Radical, but someone on the extreme right is being discriminated against by liberals.


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22 Oct 2019, 8:02 pm

All pro 2a supports would be against a Muslim radical having their rights stripped away without due process. Red flag laws are illegal. It doesn’t matter who they used against as its illegal!! !!


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22 Oct 2019, 11:39 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
EzraS wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
EzraS wrote:
sly279 wrote:
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Even if a person isn't a lone murderer, or a member of a Nazi organization, if he or she takes to heart the Nazi ideology, then he or she is a Nazi. If a person doesn't believe in exterminating non-whites, so called race traitors, Jews, then he or she shouldn't worry about being implicated with the Neo-Nazi movement.

Says the guy who’s said in past anyone who voted for trump is a nazi.
Modern definition of nazi: anyone who’s not a liberal democrat.


Exactamundo. I see it being taken in that direction.


Those who espouse white supremacist or white nationalist ideology shouldn't be surprised to discover they're labelled as Nazis. Those who defend and enable the former also shouldn't be too surprised they're labelled as such.

There's an easy way to avoid this, don't espouse white supremacist rhetoric and don't make excuses for them. This notion that you and Sly are whining about really just sounds like someone has been triggered over a spade being properly labelled as a spade.


Liberals are very much into properly labeling people and it doesn't seem to take much, and is gradually taking less, for them to pin one on somebody who isn't one of them. Actually in reality the easiest way to avoid this is to become a liberal or at least try to sound like one.


So more blanket generalizations. lovely.


What's the label for that?



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22 Oct 2019, 11:47 pm

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When did I ever say anything about killers? Again, I said you seem to be saying that those on the far right shouldn't be demonized for being on the far right. You and Sly maintained I accused anyone of not being a liberal Democrat is a Nazi. No, I didn't.
The nut bar who's been arrested and his guns taken away clearly has aligned himself with a dangerous ideology that promotes murder and race hatred. He was hardly just a normal Republican voter. Funny that so many on the right would have no problem with a firearms seizure and an arrest of a Muslim Radical, but someone on the extreme right is being discriminated against by liberals.


I was talking about killers. All I can say is you appear to have a skewed way of interpreting things. I maintain that overall in the liberal world there is the clear implication that anyone who's not on their side must at least be in favor of Nazism.



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22 Oct 2019, 11:49 pm

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When did I ever say anything about killers? Again, I said you seem to be saying that those on the far right shouldn't be demonized for being on the far right. You and Sly maintained I accused anyone of not being a liberal Democrat is a Nazi. No, I didn't.
The nut bar who's been arrested and his guns taken away clearly has aligned himself with a dangerous ideology that promotes murder and race hatred. He was hardly just a normal Republican voter. Funny that so many on the right would have no problem with a firearms seizure and an arrest of a Muslim Radical, but someone on the extreme right is being discriminated against by liberals.


I was talking about killers. All I can say is you appear to have a skewed way of interpreting things. I maintain that overall in the liberal world there is the clear implication that anyone who's not on their side must at least be in favor of Nazism.


Talk about misinterpreting what someone wrote.


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23 Oct 2019, 12:05 am

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When did I ever say anything about killers? Again, I said you seem to be saying that those on the far right shouldn't be demonized for being on the far right. You and Sly maintained I accused anyone of not being a liberal Democrat is a Nazi. No, I didn't.
The nut bar who's been arrested and his guns taken away clearly has aligned himself with a dangerous ideology that promotes murder and race hatred. He was hardly just a normal Republican voter. Funny that so many on the right would have no problem with a firearms seizure and an arrest of a Muslim Radical, but someone on the extreme right is being discriminated against by liberals.


I was talking about killers. All I can say is you appear to have a skewed way of interpreting things. I maintain that overall in the liberal world there is the clear implication that anyone who's not on their side must at least be in favor of Nazism.


Talk about misinterpreting what someone wrote.


Are you the overall liberal world I'm speaking of?



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23 Oct 2019, 12:35 am

EzraS wrote:
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EzraS wrote:
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When did I ever say anything about killers? Again, I said you seem to be saying that those on the far right shouldn't be demonized for being on the far right. You and Sly maintained I accused anyone of not being a liberal Democrat is a Nazi. No, I didn't.
The nut bar who's been arrested and his guns taken away clearly has aligned himself with a dangerous ideology that promotes murder and race hatred. He was hardly just a normal Republican voter. Funny that so many on the right would have no problem with a firearms seizure and an arrest of a Muslim Radical, but someone on the extreme right is being discriminated against by liberals.


I was talking about killers. All I can say is you appear to have a skewed way of interpreting things. I maintain that overall in the liberal world there is the clear implication that anyone who's not on their side must at least be in favor of Nazism.


Talk about misinterpreting what someone wrote.


Are you the overall liberal world I'm speaking of?


Yes, I'm an all sentient thing that lives in the minds of all liberals.


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23 Oct 2019, 1:33 am

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Cyberdad. You did not read the entirety of the link you sent us.

I wish everybody here would read that link.

There is no evidence that Harding and Coolidge actually joined the Klan. They might have been racists, but they also spoke out against racism. It was even alleged that Harding had “black blood.”

Woodrow Wilson was stated to be sort of a prime candidate. He was more of a racist than either Harding or Coolidge. There is no evidence that he joined the Klan.

Truman did, briefly.....but he soon had a falling out with them, and demanded his $10 membership fee back. He did, as President, begin the integration of the Armed Forces. He spoke out specifically against the anti-Catholicism of the Klan, rather than their anti-black bias specifically.


I accept these guys were in a tricky situation politically given the widespread popularity of the klan in every southern US state. It's possible their open support was politically driven which means they aren't much different to Trump using dog whistle tactics to bring extreme right wingers to the polling booth (I've said before Trump used racist rhetoric to differentiate himself from Ted Cruz and Rubio who people thought might be soft on border control because of their hispanic roots). The formula worked so well (probably more than Trump realised he got open racist Steve Bannon to design his election platform strategy against Hillary).

I did read the article - Truman was getting electoral support from Irish catholics so he had no choice but to drop his membership of the KKK. I doubt he changed his views on lynching though.



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23 Oct 2019, 5:17 am

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Yes, I'm an all sentient thing that lives in the minds of all liberals.


Ah like the Borg Queen. No wonder you get your wires crossed.



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23 Oct 2019, 6:19 am

Cyberdad, do you hate white people because you think they're all racist?



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23 Oct 2019, 3:21 pm

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Yes, I'm an all sentient thing that lives in the minds of all liberals.


Ah like the Borg Queen. No wonder you get your wires crossed.


I was thinking more along the lines of a Lovecraftian Old one that will one day return from the spaces between time and space after Cthulhu rises from the depths.


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23 Oct 2019, 8:46 pm

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Cyberdad, do you hate white people because you think they're all racist?


I'm pretty sure Cyberdad is a white person. :?


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23 Oct 2019, 8:52 pm

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Cyberdad, do you hate white people because you think they're all racist?


I'm pretty sure Cyberdad is a white person. :?


There are white people who hate other white people because they believe white culture is inherintly evil and racist. Look at the abolonist John Brown as the perfect example.

My middle school teacher from New Jersey was a white lady who hated all white people in the south because she thought we were all racist, stupid, and beneath northerners.