Will Trump be pulling a Richard Nixon on us?

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21 Nov 2019, 2:52 pm

Americans didn't support TRUMP.

He only got 63 million out of 325 million votes.

19%.

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21 Nov 2019, 3:00 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:

Americans didn't support TRUMP.

He only got 63 million out of 325 million votes.

19%.

So you're admitting MAGAs are not true Americans?

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21 Nov 2019, 3:04 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:

Americans didn't support TRUMP. He only got 63 million out of 325 million votes. 19%.

Slight correction...

National voter turnout was about 55.7%.

Trump received about 46.1% of the popular vote of those who voted.
Clinton received about 48.2% of the popular vote of those who voted.

Trump received about (55.7% x 46.1%) 25.7% of the popular vote of registered voters.
Clinton received about (55.7% x 48.2%) 26.8% of the popular vote of registered voters.

His support might be even less this next time around.

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21 Nov 2019, 3:09 pm

Fnord wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

Americans didn't support TRUMP. He only got 63 million out of 325 million votes. 19%.

If my cards are right.

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21 Nov 2019, 3:12 pm

TheCherokeeRosePrince wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

Americans didn't support TRUMP.

He only got 63 million out of 325 million votes.

19%.

So you're admitting MAGAs are not true Americans?

Sure, TRUMP's MAGA is about SOCIALISM.

Socialist TRUMP believes government can make America great again, not the free market.

Rather than a free market solution … Socialist TRUMP ….

-implements tariffs to protect particular industries
-end free trade deals
-has pro-worker (anti-business) rhetoric
-TRUMP-care (government health care)
-drug price controls (based on other countries' prices),
-boot illegal immigrants because they supposedly hurt wages
-numerous times he's said he wants to take away individual rights

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21 Nov 2019, 4:41 pm

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Recently, some Republicans made a sidehow Bob argument.

They said bribery is an impeachable offense in the Constitution, however, conspiracy to bribery is not.

Therefore, the impeachment is not Constitutional.

Sideshow Bob -- in prison -- suggests attempted murder is not a crime, since no murder happened.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ ... tcom-joke/

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21 Nov 2019, 5:42 pm

Trump lost by about 3 million in the popular vote.

He won via Electoral Votes.

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21 Nov 2019, 10:44 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

Trump lost by about 3 million in the popular vote.

He won via Electoral Votes.

Which is the same as saying someone lost a game of chess because they had less pieces at the end, despite checkmating their opponent.

Had the "rules" for the election stated whoever received the most votes was the winner, the entire campaign by both sides would have differed in order to maximise the number of individual votes, rather than ignoring votes at the individual level in order to focus on the "group"\college votes.

I've always wondered if the people who claim the results should have been different due to the "popular vote" result really do not understand this...Similarly, I'm curious about what the people who complain about politicians and their lack of understanding\experience outside politics expected when someone who wasn't a lifelong politician won the election, as they are now complaining about things being done differently to "normal".

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22 Nov 2019, 12:09 am

I said he won, didn’t I?

What do I supposedly not understand? What is your motivation in saying this? Do you just want to argue?

I stated the facts. He lost the popular vote, but won the electoral vote. That’s plainly obvious.

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22 Nov 2019, 1:39 am

I wasn't referring to you with the comment. It was more a general responce related to the number of people (here and elsewhere) who make the claim of him losing the "popular" vote and so claiming he didn't win\shouldn't be president...Sorry if you interpreted it otherwise, as that was not my intention.

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22 Nov 2019, 6:05 am

That’s cool.

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22 Nov 2019, 6:59 pm

Brictoria wrote:

Tfumo still claims that his Dem opponents Popular margin was 100% fake votes Do you agree with him? He said that New Hampshire primary Likewise?
If Trump Popular won but electoral list 2039 do you think his supporters - Rush Fox Etc. - would be so philosophical? Or people against Trump who now critisizee the EV, likeeisr

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25 Nov 2019, 4:14 pm

I thought this image captured things well:

And if you think Trump's depiction as a mob boss and calling Cohen a rat was exaggerated, keep in mind, that Trump actually did call Cohen a rat:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-c ... d=59862349

Calling people rats is generally what criminal organizations do.

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25 Nov 2019, 4:32 pm

Of course Trump is going to act like a gangster. Those are the people he's been doing business with for his whole adult life.

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02 Dec 2019, 8:22 am

Vice reports something important about the impeachment case that the New York Times reported (and that I don't have paid access to):

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President Trump was briefed on the whistleblower complaint against him weeks before he decided to release military aid to Ukraine, the New York Times reported Tuesday, news that undercuts one of the Republicans' central impeachment defenses.

Republicans have claimed throughout the process that there was no “quid pro quo” because Trump eventually released the money to Ukraine without getting anything in return.

That was already a flimsy claim; Trump didn’t release the money until Sept. 11, two days after House Democrats launched a public investigation into the matter and only one day before the House voted to begin what would turn into the impeachment inquiry. And the news suggests Trump kept pushing to extort Ukraine even after he knew people within his administration were raising alarms about his actions.

Other new details paint a picture of inter-agency confusion and unrest over Trump’s move to withhold military aid from Ukraine.

Transcripts released by the House Intelligence Committee Tuesday show that officials at the Office of Management and Budget were kept in the dark for months about why that money was withheld, and that the $390 million in aid was officially blocked on July 25, the same day of Trump’s infamous call with Ukraine’s President Zelensky.

https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/8xwz ... t-stronger

This looks bad for Trump. He only released the money after he got caught.

(Does anybody have access to the NYTimes article?)

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02 Dec 2019, 9:04 am

Vice, Vox, Slate, Buzzfeed, NYT have the best stories.

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