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16 Dec 2019, 5:27 am

Frankly, the recent elections in the UK and the bullish!t going on in the US, proves my theory that ALL politicans are the same everywhere: they are like prostitutes and pinball machines: they take your money and screw you!

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16 Dec 2019, 5:50 am

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And then someone who isn't a politician steps in (at least in the USA) to try and change things and the progressives, who are normally in favour of change, suddenly become conservative (at least in terms of what sort of people they want in politics), while the conservatives (least inclined towards change) welcome the change...Things really are strange at the moment.

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16 Dec 2019, 6:21 am

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Right. So the openly racist Bojo the clown and his elitist billionaire trustfund friends get to run the country again. Because you guys bought the character assassination of a lifelong devoted anti-racist activist via antisemitism allegation.
As long as the city is a state within a state, coordinating the tax-fraud via overseas territories, I wouldn't call what the Brits are doing democracy, as in, rule of the people.

Boris might well be a racist clown, but he's the only party leader who promised to implement democracy.

Do you know what 'democracy' means? The majority of Brits do not wish to be ruled by an unelected bureaucracy in a foreign country. There was a referendum on the matter. In a functioning democracy, the pro-Fourth Reich mob's opinions should have been irrelevant following that referendum, but too many people decided that democracy is only something worth supporting when voting goes their way, and that in itself guaranteed Boris a majority.

There's been no character assassination of Corbyn and McDonnell. If anything, the media have been remarkably restrained about their history of fraternisation with the IRA and also Islamo-fascists who openly spout murderous intent towards not only Jews and LGBTQ+ people, but everybody who supports a free world.

It is dishonest to say those of us who voted remain are undemocratic . Those who voted remain were , for the most part , willing to accept the result until 'no deal' was touted as a possibility.

That was not put to people at the time of the referendum . If it had been the result may have been different . Those choosing not to say 'no deal ' might be on the cards , were,in fact , the ones subverting the democratic process by deliberately not giving the voting public the full facts with which to arrive at a decision .

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16 Dec 2019, 7:17 am

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Every household in the country received a scare letter from Cameron's government outlining a worst-case 'no deal' scenario as the consequences of voting Leave.

You know what happened next, so stop being so disingenuous. Really. It's well beyond time to stop it.

I didn't call those who voted Remain undemocratic. Only the big mouthed righteous mob. I know many people who voted Remain who have been sickened by the infantile, anti-democratic behaviour of politicians and pro-EU activists since the referendum.

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16 Dec 2019, 7:48 am

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at least in amuuuurica, it is false to say the left is out of options, the right wants the working class to believe that while it is robbing them blind via tax giveaways to billionaires and outright waste/fraud/abuse in the hospital medical complex/MICC. we could reverse the tax giveaways and pare down the MICC [not to mention the "black budget"] and still have plenty of guns AND butter.

Of course, the MAGA voters don’t give a flying crap about butter, but don’t you dare take their guns. :roll:

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16 Dec 2019, 7:51 am

the way the word 'undemocratic' is thrown around these days it has lost a lot of it's meaning. It now seems to just mean 'something I don't like'

3 general elections in 4.5 years even though we have the 5 year Fixed Term Parliament Act, and all because the Tories wanted to keep re running the vote until they got the result they wanted :lol:

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16 Dec 2019, 8:09 am

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auntblabby wrote:

Of course, the MAGA voters don’t give a flying crap about butter, but don’t you dare take their guns. :roll:

I don't think that's entirely true. Gun lovers see the 2nd amendment as one of the ways to ward of situations like Venezuela. From what I've read the current gun laws were enacted in 2012 and it took exactly how long for them to run out of everybody else's money? 7 years... So, I'd say that gun owners are trying to see to it that the government doesn't get too big for it's britches.

I've said it often and I really do mean it: If I didn't have anyone I loved, meaning kids and grandkids, I'd vote for your way of life. If for nothing more than to watch these people who believe themselves to be so evolved finally see what it means to be a disarmed and dependent society. I'm old, I have had a good run. I would kick back and watch the horror on your faces when you realize that the top dogs have stolen everything and that $700 disability check you bitched about, or the $11/hr job you thought was total ****, you'd kill for.

You are protected now by the idea of someone else's gun. You don't even have to own one, because you'd never go down for standing up to the government in the first place.

All I can say is that you'd better be glad there are others in the US that do have loved ones they are willing to die for. Otherwise, there would have been no butter a long time ago.

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16 Dec 2019, 8:10 am

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I think Krystal Ball and Saagar Enjeti have a good analysis of why Corbyn lost. They say it's because a lot of working-class Brits had the impression that he hated them, and that he took no clear stand on Brexit:

They say there are warnings for the left in this as well. Statements like "the deplorables" and favoring abolishing immigration enforcement are total mistakes. On the contrary, they say, things like the NHS and Medicare-For-All are by no means election losers, but they won't work if voters get the impression you're just buying them off when you hate them.

Yep that is true. Thing is, most of the Labour party DO hate the working class. It is run by condescending liberals in the London bubble.

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16 Dec 2019, 8:13 am

It appears that liberalism has become unappealing globally.

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16 Dec 2019, 8:33 am

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It appears that liberalism has become unappealing globally.

This is probably the most correct, no frills statement on the whole thread.

Folks can support quite a few of the services the left runs on: disability benefits, the services offered free of charge at the health departments, immigration, etc (which I do). But because of the extreme mutated versions of it that have been adopted by Liberals, it's resulted in the everyday John Q. Public viewing them as lunatics.

Benefits: financial/medical support for the sick, fallen on hard times, elderly, children, students, parents or caregivers of sick adults? YES!
Immigration: Fill out the forms and come on? YES!
Guns: Don't like one, don't own one. YES!
Abortions: Don't like them, don't have one? YES!
Normal taxes: YES!

But, these f*****s are never satisfied with that.

Benefits: Come one, come all! And YOU pay for them? NO!
Immigration: Come one, come all! Violent record? No problem! No skills? No problem! Just come and promise to vote Democrat! NO!
Guns: Turn 'em all in? NO!
Abortions: Kill the kid, kill all the kids! Kill the kids on month one, kill the kids in the delivery room! And YOU pay for it? NO!
Taxes: Tax the **** outta the rich, tax the **** outta the middle class! What right do they have to have it so easy? NO!

The Liberals have done this to themselves.

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16 Dec 2019, 9:10 am

Persephone29 wrote:

EzraS wrote:

It appears that liberalism has become unappealing globally.

New York law just went into effect giving illegal immigrants the right to apply for drivers licenses. Upstate Republicans are vowing not to enforce the law. We will see how that goes.

NYC just issued guidelines for medallion cab drivers suggesting they ask passengers their preferred gender pronouns while telling their passengers their preferred pronoun. Call me unwoke but using first names would still be respectful, less confusing, no chance of misgendering. FWIW among the “Ok boomer” people I am around the increase in usage of these pronouns is a major topic of conversations, people either sarcastically joke about it or are furious. That includes die hard Democrats/liberals/Trump haters. Yes boomers and their attitudes will die off EVENTUALLY. But I do expect it to become a drag on the Democrats, maybe not enough to undo Trump’s unpopularity but a drag.

The effect of “free stuff” on the election is still a question in my mind. Even the worst complainers secretly want it, will take it, and become dependent on them if available and that is a reason they fear it. If I was the republicans instead of obsessing over Venezuela, I would emphasize the long waits in Europe type of thing to counter the enticing “they get it free why can’t we?”

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16 Dec 2019, 11:28 am

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Anyone who wasn't clueless knew that we would leave with or without a deal after two years. Despite that propaganda, what people didn't actually talk about was being tied to the EU forever and locked in via Defense Union.

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16 Dec 2019, 1:09 pm

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Persephone29 wrote:

EzraS wrote:

It appears that liberalism has become unappealing globally.

I for one am not one you are going to hear "ok boomer" from, unless it is said as a joke. This whole you must accept whatever you are told to accept, or there is something wrong with you routine is pure Orwellian BS to me. The whole must call me by my preferred pronoun nonsense is ridiculous to me. And many other forms of "progressiveness" makes me inclined to wish I was born a few decades ago. It's gotten out of hand and is likely to only get worse if society lets it. That's my version of being woke.

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16 Dec 2019, 2:27 pm

EzraS wrote:

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Persephone29 wrote:

EzraS wrote:

It appears that liberalism has become unappealing globally.

I am not offended by “Ok boomer” , I find the snowflake boomers offended by it funny, as well as the it being used on my generation who said “don’t trust anybody over 30”. I do use it sarcastically. It is ageist in a microgression kind of way I guess but I am not going to meltdown over a “microagression”.

Back on topic there is a significant generational divide in the UK with the young trending remainier/labour, and the older conservative/leavers.

A big thing of note in this election was what happened in the midlands. Not only did they flip but they went from districts that have gone for Labour for decades to Conservative landslide victories. Really something else. It also signals to those who were thinking or hoping the worldwide “populist” wave was running out of steam need to think again.

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17 Dec 2019, 1:07 am

Brictoria wrote:

I'm not sure where you pulled your information about Australian electoral boundaries (You obviously don't live in Australia to be making the claims which you did), but wherever it may have been seems to be a very misleading source. I'd suggest you have a look at the AEC website regarding electorates and redistributions.

Ok my mistake. Gerrymander is the wrong term to use. I might make my point by demonstrating that Sydney and Melbourne account for 20% of the national population are both safe urban labor seats but in Australia federal elections they account for 2 seats out of 151 or 1.3% which is misrepresentative.

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always wondered why "greens" voters (at least in Australia) seem to congregate in areas as separate from the bush/wilds which they try to manage/control as is possible. I can't understand why they don't just buy up the properties/business in these areas and move there, giving them direct control rather than setting rules/regulations for areas which they aren't willling to live or work in, and people who they do not wish to live in a community with.

Since when was it a requirement that you had to live in the bush to be concerned about the environment? My experience of people in the bush is if it's green knock it down, if its brown dig it up and if moves then shoot it....there is no concern for the environment if your livelihood is farming, fishing, hunting mining or forestry. So it's up to us folk in the cities to regulate country people from destroying the natural ecosystems and pristine environs.

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thing I've noticed is that conservative areas generally have a good community structiure, where if someone gets into trouble their neighbours/community will spontaneously get together to support them, whereas the more progressive areas need to have community organisers.

I call BS on that one. I grew up in conservative neighbourhood and had wealthy parents but luckily they had integrity because my neighbors were the worst examples of selfish creatures known to humanity. Their spawn (who I had the great misfortune to spend 12 years of my schooling) inherited their parent's elitist prejudices, psychopathic and sociopathic tendencies and now hold positions of power passing on their disgusting traits to their next generation of monsters.

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17 Dec 2019, 3:36 am

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Similar thing has happened in the UK for decades, in particular with the Scottish seats. It's why a lot of people, including myself, would prefer Proportional Representation rather than our FPTP system as it is more representative of the national vote

2019 GE
Lib Dems - 3.6M votes = 11 seats
SNP - 1.2M votes = 48 seats

2015 GE
UKIP - 3.8M votes = 1 seat
Lib Dem - 2.4M votes - 8 seats
SNP - 1.4M votes = 56 seats

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