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02 Jan 2020, 7:23 pm
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Pardon my French, but F*CK the tax payers! Public assistance gets only a small portion of revenue collected by the government, and yet gets the lion share of blame for the tax burden.
Good point.
Further shows the criminality of your politicians, behaving the way they do, serving their corporate & military industrial complex masters instead of the people.
$738B in defence spending last year. Like WTF? That’s where your social assistance money literally went up in smoke.
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03 Jan 2020, 12:32 am
Persephone29 wrote:
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Persephone29 wrote:
I don't want what you have, I want what I have.
It's never an option when discussing Universal Healthcare to leave the people who are doing fine alone. It's always take what they have away from them and give back the same thing to everyone.
Why is it not acceptable to leave the people who don't need it alone? And do whatever for the people who do? I'll tell you why, because you're gonna tax the s**t outta me for it (in addition to your very reasonable premium) and the people who were always paying nothing, will continue paying nothing because they are 'less fortunate, vulnerable, etc...'
Meanwhile, they kick back and have zero stress because what's the point? It's not like they have bills to pay. While the rest of us who feel it's moral to at least try to meet standards assigned to us lose our hair, have heart attacks and other stress associated illness. And the least among us have zero pressure...
Excuse my french, but f**k that.I'll raise their blood pressure and they can keel over dead at 1 year prior to retirement, just like the rest of us.
It's never an option when discussing Universal Healthcare to leave the people who are doing fine alone. It's always take what they have away from them and give back the same thing to everyone.
Why is it not acceptable to leave the people who don't need it alone? And do whatever for the people who do? I'll tell you why, because you're gonna tax the s**t outta me for it (in addition to your very reasonable premium) and the people who were always paying nothing, will continue paying nothing because they are 'less fortunate, vulnerable, etc...'
Meanwhile, they kick back and have zero stress because what's the point? It's not like they have bills to pay. While the rest of us who feel it's moral to at least try to meet standards assigned to us lose our hair, have heart attacks and other stress associated illness. And the least among us have zero pressure...
Excuse my french, but f**k that.I'll raise their blood pressure and they can keel over dead at 1 year prior to retirement, just like the rest of us.
Well, some us us consider having healthcare to be a right, not a privilege.
And yes, poor people do have bills to pay, which is why they too often don't have enough left over for medical care.
I thought that the right was supposed to be so pro-life. Being pro-life means more than just caring about a person's welfare before they're born and after they die, but not in between.
It has absolutely nothing to do with morality to try getting by without help. If you need help, there isn't anything immoral about it.
Trust me, the needy lose their hair and have heart conditions due to stress as much or more than anyone else.
Pardon my French, but F*CK the tax payers! Public assistance gets only a small portion of revenue collected by the government, and yet gets the lion share of blame for the tax burden.
But admittedly you are a starving artist. How will they go about getting blood from a stone? If you don't have the income to cover it, who will pay your share of the 'free healthcare?'
Also, what if doctors don't want to deal with the increase in workload that universal healthcare would bring? Seems to me I heard you have 2 choices from NHS-wait or pay out of pocket. So, if I want free care, I have to wait because of the volume created by universal healthcare. Or, I have to pony up out of pocket to be seen promptly if I don't wish to wait, so that means I'm still paying for healthcare that essentially useless (delayed care is denied care, just like delayed justice is denied justice) and paying for private care.
I'll keep my more expensive healthcare coverage and still pay less in the long run.
We don’t have to wait for anything urgent. Just go to an ER and be seen in order of the most to least urgent patient. If it’s a truly time sensitive medical emergency, people are flown my helicopter and taken into emergency surgery immediately. And then the bill is often $0.00. (Although there are some standard fees for ambulance rides like $100-150 something like that.)
People wait for things like hip & knee replacement surgery. We could use improvement in surgery wait times, for sure, but at least people can access the care they need.
And it doesn’t matter if a starving artist pays as low as nothing into our provincial medical plan. There are enough taxpayers all paying in the same amount each, regardless of income, to cover everyone here. Also, ours may have been the only province to charge a medical premium at all - which just got scrapped. So now we pay no medical specific regular fees at all - the same services will still be delivered but paid for from other tax revenue sources. We still all pay for it in the end, though.
Looked it up and the premiums were based on income and were a maximum of $75/mo for a single person paying the full I unsubsidized premium. But now that tax is cancelled and no one has to pay it anymore and we can still go to a clinic or hospital whenever we need to just the same as always.
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03 Jan 2020, 12:43 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
I don't want what you have, I want what I have.
It's never an option when discussing Universal Healthcare to leave the people who are doing fine alone. It's always take what they have away from them and give back the same thing to everyone.
Why is it not acceptable to leave the people who don't need it alone? And do whatever for the people who do? I'll tell you why, because you're gonna tax the s**t outta me for it (in addition to your very reasonable premium) and the people who were always paying nothing, will continue paying nothing because they are 'less fortunate, vulnerable, etc...'
Meanwhile, they kick back and have zero stress because what's the point? It's not like they have bills to pay. While the rest of us who feel it's moral to at least try to meet standards assigned to us lose our hair, have heart attacks and other stress associated illness. And the least among us have zero pressure...
Excuse my french, but f**k that.I'll raise their blood pressure and they can keel over dead at 1 year prior to retirement, just like the rest of us.
It's never an option when discussing Universal Healthcare to leave the people who are doing fine alone. It's always take what they have away from them and give back the same thing to everyone.
Why is it not acceptable to leave the people who don't need it alone? And do whatever for the people who do? I'll tell you why, because you're gonna tax the s**t outta me for it (in addition to your very reasonable premium) and the people who were always paying nothing, will continue paying nothing because they are 'less fortunate, vulnerable, etc...'
Meanwhile, they kick back and have zero stress because what's the point? It's not like they have bills to pay. While the rest of us who feel it's moral to at least try to meet standards assigned to us lose our hair, have heart attacks and other stress associated illness. And the least among us have zero pressure...
Excuse my french, but f**k that.I'll raise their blood pressure and they can keel over dead at 1 year prior to retirement, just like the rest of us.
Well, some us us consider having healthcare to be a right, not a privilege.
And yes, poor people do have bills to pay, which is why they too often don't have enough left over for medical care.
I thought that the right was supposed to be so pro-life. Being pro-life means more than just caring about a person's welfare before they're born and after they die, but not in between.
It has absolutely nothing to do with morality to try getting by without help. If you need help, there isn't anything immoral about it.
Trust me, the needy lose their hair and have heart conditions due to stress as much or more than anyone else.
Pardon my French, but F*CK the tax payers! Public assistance gets only a small portion of revenue collected by the government, and yet gets the lion share of blame for the tax burden.
But admittedly you are a starving artist. How will they go about getting blood from a stone? If you don't have the income to cover it, who will pay your share of the 'free healthcare?'
Also, what if doctors don't want to deal with the increase in workload that universal healthcare would bring? Seems to me I heard you have 2 choices from NHS-wait or pay out of pocket. So, if I want free care, I have to wait because of the volume created by universal healthcare. Or, I have to pony up out of pocket to be seen promptly if I don't wish to wait, so that means I'm still paying for healthcare that essentially useless (delayed care is denied care, just like delayed justice is denied justice) and paying for private care.
I'll keep my more expensive healthcare coverage and still pay less in the long run.
My healthcare comes from the same place as every other poor persons.
Waiting for a doctor is still better than not having one.
I have no problem with people keeping their own insurance. My problem is with those who want to take medical coverage from the rest of us because they think we're scamming the system.
My problem is with people that are of the mentality that they think others have to go without in order for them to have decent medical care. Reality is that there’s MORE than enough money spent on healthcare in the USA to provide e v e r y o n e with decent healthcare. The problem is that there are so many layers of exorbitant profits in your insurance industry that you get a terribly expensive system and very bad value for money spent.
People with good medical coverage in the USA should be demanding that everyone be given similar car because there’s already enough money changing hands to do it.. someone just has to have the balls to tell the insurance industry to f**k off and then spend the liberated funds on patient care.
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03 Jan 2020, 9:42 am
^A massive part of the problem is the culture of greed amongst American medical doctors. They’re all aiming for $400K/yr+ instead of aiming to provide quality care to their patients in exchange for fair compensation & a very comfortable life. They (almost) all want to get filthy rich & are willing to watch people die rather than help them to do it. Disgusting, IMO.
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03 Jan 2020, 9:58 am
Persephone29 wrote:
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^A massive part of the problem is the culture of greed amongst American medical doctors. They’re all aiming for $400K/yr+ instead of aiming to provide quality care to their patients in exchange for fair compensation & a very comfortable life. They (almost) all want to get filthy rich & are willing to watch people die rather than help them to do it. Disgusting, IMO.
That's gone out of fashion in the US, since the traveling doctors who took chickens as payment. And that is the culture of the US, we have never lied about that. People should be cursing their parents if they don't like it, not the country. We are simply doing what we have always done.
They are not interested in 'fair' compensation. They have student loan debts to pay. They are interested in the most amount of money to live well and pay off student loan debt. Now, I'm anticipating that you'll go off the rails on how education should be free. Well, it's not here.
They could repay their student loans and live a very good life on $250k/yr instead of $400k. It would also allow them to better uphold the oath they swore to do no harm.
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