Is it true a lot of Americans are fleeing the country?

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29 Jan 2021, 5:16 am

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Australia’s Sky News seems to parrot almost everything said on America’s Fox News, but in Australian accents. Seriously. When I hear Sky News clips they’re almost word for word the same garbage as Fox News, so, IMO they’re quite a right wing conservative news source - not a balanced one.


So, you aren't aware of how many left-wing advocates/politicians are participants of the Sky News channel?
Is this right?


Never heard any. Also didn't seek any out - the ones I've heard just play in the Facebook watch queue automatically. From what I've heard, it seems they're very Fox News like and my guess is they have left wing political guests just the same as Fox News does.


There are at least 5 leftie regulars on Sky news. 8)
The Australian ABC has zero, zip, nada regular conservatives on their programs on the other hand.
Sky News is conservative overall, but there are good left-wing opinions also.
I wouldn't compare Fox with Sky. 8)


One of the strange things the Right wing always claim here in Oz is how the media is left biased (particularly the ABC) yet thousands of research studies show that media bias has no significant bearing on voter preference. So why do they keep harping on about something that has much to do about nothing?


Can you verify your claim?


There are two aspects to the "claim"
1. For starters there is a lack of evidence of media bias
https://academic.oup.com/joc/article-ab ... m=fulltext

And ergo there is lack of evidence that media will change voter preference
https://voxeu.org/article/does-mass-med ... vidence-us

The issue isn't that voters don't read the news (they do) but that there's a scarcity of solid evidence to back up the spurious claims of Scomo and associates (Abbott and others) that government broadcasters are biased and influence voters.


We have already covered the ABC being left-leaning via the recent 'Invasion Day' spin, so much so they had to retract that descriptive.
The ABC needs to be impartial, by Charter, but isn't, as has been established.

We have already covered the internal ABC report, that they wanted to hide from the public until someone brought it up in Parliament, which indicated they needed to be more equitable in terms of discussing both the right and left of politics, so I am not going over old ground beyond this.

The question is, why would they waste their time in their left-wing bias if it makes no difference?
Why are they not simply impartial?
Perhaps they haven't read your articles. 8)



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29 Jan 2021, 7:02 am

It’s WAY TOO SIMPLISTIC to divide the US into “red” and “blue.”

We tried separation once with the Civil War. Obviously, that did not pan out.

We don’t hate each other THAT much....only the Yahoos on both sides do so.



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29 Jan 2021, 10:55 pm

Pepe wrote:
The question is, why would they waste their time in their left-wing bias if it makes no difference?
Why are they not simply impartial?
Perhaps they haven't read your articles. 8)


I would propose that social conservatives aren't always people who rely on evidence but are prone to remove obstacles that appear to conflict with their agenda. For example I am sure plenty of conservatives are smart enough to know that man-made climate change is likely to be real but climate action conflicts with their support for fossil fuel and mining which many have vested interests and/or lobby groups.

Likewise the impact of ABC on voter preference may not be significant but many conservatives accuse the ABC of being left leaning so the risk of influence on swinging voters is sufficient for the coalition boys to call for privatising the ABC and interfering with the running of the broadcaster



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29 Jan 2021, 11:07 pm

politics makes for some strange bedfellows, amorals who value mammon above all are fleeing this sinking ship at the same time as altruistic types fleeing the moral rot.



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29 Jan 2021, 11:38 pm

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politics makes for some strange bedfellows, amorals who value mammon above all are fleeing this sinking ship at the same time as altruistic types fleeing the moral rot.


Indeed! our conservative coalition here in Australia is a motley crew, many flirt with the far right exactly as do the GOP.



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30 Jan 2021, 12:20 am

Politicians have no right to be double dealing morals and trifling around with the people and their right to be governed effectively , I feel .


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30 Jan 2021, 12:26 am

one side says, "don't vote! it only encourages the bastards!"
another side says, "if we don't vote the bastards will elect more bastards!"



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30 Jan 2021, 12:29 am

Humans have a long tradition of allowing ruthless sociopaths and psychopaths to rule them.



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30 Jan 2021, 12:30 am

auntblabby wrote:
one side says, "don't vote! it only encourages the bastards!"
another side says, "if we don't vote the bastards will elect more bastards!"


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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30 Jan 2021, 12:38 am

cyberdad wrote:
Humans have a long tradition of allowing ruthless sociopaths and psychopaths to rule them.

we humans are not that different in key ways, from h. g. well's "morlocks and eloi."



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30 Jan 2021, 7:07 am

H.G Wells was a man of his times (1890s) basing his Morlocks on the Morlachs, an dark skinned ethnic group in the Balkans which attracted attention from Western travelers as a perceived archetype of barbarism and backwardness



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30 Jan 2021, 10:02 am

I haven't read all of this thread, and I have possibly wrong pre-conceived notions of America.
I think Americans are at a disadvantage, more bullying in schools, harder culture, more class and race divides, far too harsh and unfair a prison sentence. UK are becoming like Americans - Halloween turnips somehow morphed into Pumpkins and trick-or-treat. School discos are now proms.
Unsavoury things are going on behind covid and the trouble in America. COVID is real, however it was artificially manufactured because the knock-on-effects of it were the goal.
If over the coming years, many Americans do flee the US, the harsher American culture may spread to other countries. I fancy that the powers that be want to clear the US of people as much as they can, forcing off grid people out of the natural environment. I don't know whether they want to make the land mass uninhabitable from pollution, look at all the pools of toxic waste from fracking.
It'll be easier for them to form a one-world-government. This is not to say I am anti American, I think they have it tough, I am glad I grew up a brit rather than an American, imagine me as a cheerleader, I don't think so, I would have been properly bullied in school rather than taunted. It seems so much more competitive.
This might read as a load of cobblers and I am open to any criticism of this post, but I can see where this is headed.



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30 Jan 2021, 10:07 am

cyberdad wrote:
Humans have a long tradition of allowing ruthless sociopaths and psychopaths to rule them.

❤️ as we don't have a like button.