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20 Apr 2021, 12:26 pm

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I don't know if the police can heart attack you to death while detaining you. That may make the difference.

That's the weak point of the prosecutor's case.

The defense attorney brought this up in closing arguments.

Pointing out that the medical examiner *watched the arrest video* to determine homicide.

As there's *no physical proof* that Chauvin caused Floyd's heart to stop.


Digital proof in video format doesn't count anymore? :? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :?


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20 Apr 2021, 12:31 pm

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Digital proof in video format doesn't count anymore? :? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :?

A video doesn't prove what caused Floyd's heart to stop.

It's very possible that it had *nothing* to do with Chauvin.


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20 Apr 2021, 12:33 pm

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Digital proof in video format doesn't count anymore? :? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :?

A video doesn't prove what caused Floyd's heart to stop.

It's very possible that it had *nothing* to do with Chauvin.

Hmmm, and if it was so, should the next generations of policemen get a green light to do the same to another man some time later?


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20 Apr 2021, 12:41 pm

Cops like Chauvin make the entire profession look bad. Probably even more so if they skate on a technicality.


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20 Apr 2021, 12:43 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:
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Digital proof in video format doesn't count anymore? :? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :?

A video doesn't prove what caused Floyd's heart to stop.

It's very possible that it had *nothing* to do with Chauvin.



Mmmhmmm, "very possible," the kneeling on a man's neck for ~9 minutes wasn't the cause of asphyxiation.. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: It was just a TOTAL COINCIDENCE!!!11!!1! !!1! :lol: :roll: :(

Cause meet effect. 100% direct correlation. On video.

:? Vert Der f*k? :?


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20 Apr 2021, 1:31 pm

magz wrote:
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Digital proof in video format doesn't count anymore? :? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :?

A video doesn't prove what caused Floyd's heart to stop.

It's very possible that it had *nothing* to do with Chauvin.

Hmmm, and if it was so, should the next generations of policemen get a green light to do the same to another man some time later?

It's wrong to *punish* Chauvin with a conviction of causing Floyd's death, simply because you don't like his actions or you want to stop someone else from doing it.

The charges against Chauvin require the jury to determine beyond a reasonable doubt that Chauvin *caused* Floyd's death.


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20 Apr 2021, 1:32 pm

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It's wrong to *punish* Chauvin with a conviction of causing Floyd's death, simply because you don't like his actions or you want to stop someone else from doing it.

Isn't it exactly the purpose of criminal law?


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20 Apr 2021, 1:41 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
Mmmhmmm, "very possible," the kneeling on a man's neck for ~9 minutes wasn't the cause of asphyxiation.. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: It was just a TOTAL COINCIDENCE!!!11!!1! !!1! :lol: :roll: :(

Cause meet effect. 100% direct correlation. On video.

:? Vert Der f*k? :?

The medical examiner determined Floyd's death was because his *heart stopped*, not asphyxiation.


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20 Apr 2021, 1:42 pm

magz wrote:
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It's wrong to *punish* Chauvin with a conviction of causing Floyd's death, simply because you don't like his actions or you want to stop someone else from doing it.

Isn't it exactly the purpose of criminal law?


Assuming the person is guilty, yes.



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20 Apr 2021, 1:50 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:
SocOfAutism wrote:
I don't know if the police can heart attack you to death while detaining you. That may make the difference.

That's the weak point of the prosecutor's case.

The defense attorney brought this up in closing arguments.

Pointing out that the medical examiner *watched the arrest video* to determine homicide.

As there's *no physical proof* that Chauvin caused Floyd's heart to stop.


He was alive before Chauvin knelt on his neck for 9 minutes.
Then Chauvin knelt on his neck for 9 minutes while he pleaded for his life.
Then he was dead.

So, yes, I'm sure it was Covid. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


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20 Apr 2021, 1:54 pm

magz wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
It's wrong to *punish* Chauvin with a conviction of causing Floyd's death, simply because you don't like his actions or you want to stop someone else from doing it.

Isn't it exactly the purpose of criminal law?

Law is about justice, not emotional vindictiveness.

We should only be convicting Chauvin if he's actually guilty of causing Floyd's death (in the US, beyond a reasonable doubt).


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20 Apr 2021, 2:31 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:
magz wrote:
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It's wrong to *punish* Chauvin with a conviction of causing Floyd's death, simply because you don't like his actions or you want to stop someone else from doing it.

Isn't it exactly the purpose of criminal law?

Law is about justice, not emotional vindictiveness.

We should only be convicting Chauvin if he's actually guilty of causing Floyd's death (in the US, beyond a reasonable doubt).


..and it is unreasonable to suggest that kneeling on his neck for 9 minutes wasn't the cause of asphyxiation.


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20 Apr 2021, 2:43 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:
magz wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
It's wrong to *punish* Chauvin with a conviction of causing Floyd's death, simply because you don't like his actions or you want to stop someone else from doing it.

Isn't it exactly the purpose of criminal law?

Law is about justice, not emotional vindictiveness.

We should only be convicting Chauvin if he's actually guilty of causing Floyd's death (in the US, beyond a reasonable doubt).


And his guilt is obvious, no amount of twisting reality will alter that fact.


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20 Apr 2021, 2:50 pm

A verdict has been reached and will be read between 4:30 and 5PM Eastern Daylight time


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20 Apr 2021, 2:54 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
magz wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
It's wrong to *punish* Chauvin with a conviction of causing Floyd's death, simply because you don't like his actions or you want to stop someone else from doing it.

Isn't it exactly the purpose of criminal law?

Law is about justice, not emotional vindictiveness.

We should only be convicting Chauvin if he's actually guilty of causing Floyd's death (in the US, beyond a reasonable doubt).


..and it is unreasonable to suggest that kneeling on his neck for 9 minutes wasn't the cause of asphyxiation.

The videos show Floyd was complaining of difficulty breathing long before Chauvin put him on the ground.

The defense contends this was because of the three drugs Floyd consumed, such as fentanyl, which is known to cause breathing difficulty.

Medical examiner even testified that the drugs, heart conditions were contributing causes in George Floyd's death
https://www.duluthnewstribune.com/derek ... oyds-death

So, why are certain Chauvin caused Floyd's death, and not the drugs or heart conditions?


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20 Apr 2021, 2:56 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
magz wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
It's wrong to *punish* Chauvin with a conviction of causing Floyd's death, simply because you don't like his actions or you want to stop someone else from doing it.

Isn't it exactly the purpose of criminal law?

Law is about justice, not emotional vindictiveness.

We should only be convicting Chauvin if he's actually guilty of causing Floyd's death (in the US, beyond a reasonable doubt).


..and it is unreasonable to suggest that kneeling on his neck for 9 minutes wasn't the cause of asphyxiation.

The videos show Floyd was complaining of difficulty breathing long before Chauvin put him on the ground.

The defense contends this was because of the three drugs Floyd consumed, such as fentanyl, which is known to cause breathing difficulty.

Medical examiner even testified that the drugs, heart conditions were contributing causes in George Floyd's death
https://www.duluthnewstribune.com/derek ... oyds-death

So, why are certain Chauvin caused Floyd's death, and not the drugs or heart conditions?


Because those are canards brought up in an attempt to deflect blame, that's why they were never supported as the cause of death by any expert.


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