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I'm glad someone's bothering to point out these peoples basic humanity even as other posters insist on othering them and making excuses for why they're undeserving of empathy.

I have explained this in a couple of post, if you care to read them.

I think I'd tend to agree with you on this. Just because someone is male doesn't mean they are some warrior hero, and getting eyes ripped or head slowly sawed off seem pretty horrific. How many posters here would stick around for that if that is what staying where they are could mean? I wonder.

Also, I it doesn't look like a 95/5 ratio of men and women, Of the people you can see clearly seems to be quite a few women and children. A lot of the further back people in that image are too small to see well enough to determine gender or age, and based on the rest of the image I cannot assume they are all male.

Politicians protect their collective arses, the way fauci and daszak did.
It is called dirty politics for a reason.

I have mentioned the Sky news interview.
That might help you understand.

Also, are all those men on the plane married with kids?

Someone will probably say the women in the picture are actually men dressed up as women, and the babies in the front are actually adult dwarfs/little-people.

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3. What inspired President Biden to withdraw the military forces without ensuring there was adequate protection for civilians (including, but not limited to US citizens (of which there are reports of several thousand still there) and those locals who assisted the US)?
4. What inspired President Biden to go on holiday while this was going occuring, rather than showing leadership and remaining in the office.
5. What inspired President Biden to do little more than give a speech blaming others for what was occurring, before going back into hiding.

There's lots more questions that could be asked, which you missed...But these supplemental ones should make a good starting point.

"Yeah, baby."

It is an interesting area of discussion:
Should this be judged based on Western standards, or should this be based around the standards of these people?
Do we know these people have living family members they are deserting?
If so, do we know whether these people were in a position to be able to safely reach them, or were they cut off from them (there wasn't a huge amount of warning, and they don't appear to have much in the way of possesions with them)?
Do we know if the potential family members were in a position to reach Kabul (which was in the process of being cut off)?
Do we know that they aren't leaving to protect their families (who may be safer saying these people had died, rather than trying to get to the airfield to escape)?
Do we know that their families haven't told them to leave?
Do we know that the families aren't also trying to flee by land?
Do we know that these people aren't going to try and find a way to extract their familes once outside the country?
Do we know if they had already sent their families outside the country?

And probably a lot of other questions as well...

What we do know is that President Biden allowed this situation to occur through his decision to downsize the military prior to\without ensuring enough was left for the safety\security of the civilians, including acts such as giving up a secondary airfield (Bagrab - with 2 runways, rather than the single one at Kabul), which could have allowed many more flights in/out, as well as provide a way to bring in additional troops for security should it be required.

We also know he has shown little sign of leadership since this began, but that's a separate issue...

In the operations of war, where there are in the field a thousand swift chariots, as many heavy chariots, and a hundred thousand mail-clad soldiers, with provisions enough to carry them a thousand li, the expenditure at home and at the front, including entertainment of guests, small items such as glue and paint, and sums spent on chariots and armor, will reach the total of a thousand ounces of silver per day. Such is the cost of raising an army of 100,000 men.

When you engage in actual fighting, if victory is long in coming, then men's weapons will grow dull and their ardor will be damped. If you lay siege to a town, you will exhaust your strength.

Again, if the campaign is protracted, the resources of the State will not be equal to the strain.

Now, when your weapons are dulled, your ardor damped, your strength exhausted and your treasure spent, other chieftains will spring up to take advantage of your extremity. Then no man, however wise, will be able to avert the consequences that must ensue.

Thus, though we have heard of stupid haste in war, cleverness has never been seen associated with long delays.

There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare.

-- Sun Tzu, in The Art of War, 5th Century, B.C.

Because they might be executed? It seems pretty mutual between the sexes that execution is very liberal in a Sharia law state.

I think you're giving to much sympathy to the men, it takes true scum to hog that much space on a plane knowing full well that kids and women will be left to fend for themselves. No need to walk in anyone's shoes to realise that's the lowest of the low.

Also let's not tie ourselves into knots over a few women and kids appearing on this plane picture (and I mean just a few). All the pictures from the airport clearly show a grossly disproportionate number of men.

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Amen ... and amen ...

If a large armed group of militants took over your entire country who enjoyed cutting heads off and gouging eyes out then again, why the hell would you not take your family with you?

I would not let my mother 50 meters out of my radius with that marauding gang walking the streets and would throw her in the car pretty sharpish to head towards the airport or even walk with her if I had to.

As my skunk grandpappy used to say:
"Life is simple, for simple people."

Isn't this a non-sequitur in regard to the shambolic extrication of the allied forces?

Some say American Intelligence (yes, an oxymoron in this instance if true) were clueless to the possibility of an Afghani collapse.
But I have also heard that the American administration ignored "The Writing on the Wall".
I tend to believe the latter.

I also believe it is a political butt-saving exercise to now blame the Intellience Agency, and that agency has to wear being the scapegoats.

Just an opinion from a stinky skunk.

Not sure what to say of this but the title is not an exaggeration. I guess we'll be hearing from Taliban soon in the west, I'm an infidel so I'd be on their kill or convert list.

I wonder though about the helicopters they caught do they even have people who know how to fly these things lol?