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03 Feb 2022, 8:14 pm

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It's a question of intent and the capacity for redemption. I think the point that Whoopi was pivoting over and insisting on sticking with (even in the face of incredulity from other View panel members) was based on her own stubborn belief which is based on her experience as a black woman and racial politics in America.

She must have felt quite stupid debating the jewish holocaust with a jewish woman Joy Behar, Whoopi would have been furious if Joy told her what it was like for black people during slavery so likewise the holocaust is a topic best left to those who are invested in that history.


This is beautiful, the "capacity for redemption" is brilliant and a good pull on the heart strings. It's a subjective decision that the left wants to control. I decide who has the capacity for redemption; and I know you didn't claim the premise. Why not just let the stupid flow and free people can make their own decisions? Why is it a negative to voice a different opinion to the left?


Don't get me wrong, I think Gina Carano is a good actress (a little robotic but she suits her character). If she just apologised and kept her politics to herself and moved on Disney would take her back.



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03 Feb 2022, 8:15 pm

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Let’s get back to Whoopi, after all the thread is about her. As said what Whoopi said was literally ignorant(not stupid which is often implied).

What she said was the complete opposite of woke ideology.


So....are you comfortable with what she said AS?



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03 Feb 2022, 8:17 pm

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You are off on the dates as southern democrats were against the 60's civil rights, LBJ had a hard time with 'em. Same as the MLK thread, two things can be true at the same time, man can accomplish good in the world and the man's morals be askew.


Oh yes! what became of the southern democrats? did they jump ship and join the republican party?



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03 Feb 2022, 8:23 pm

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That didn't make it right for Whoopie to downplay other versions of racism, and certainly not the holocaust, but it might help us understand at least a little why the racism someone like her experiences feels different to her.
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It's difficult to interpret what was going on in Whoopi's head? but I don't think her intent was to diminish the suffering caused by the holocaust or play some oppression Olympics. She was trying to make her point based on the prism of her world view based on New York where the descendants of European jews are effectively indistinguishable from Europeans so in her mind the oppression of jews in Europe was not about race but about religion/culture.

She made a massive blunder, in retrospect she knew and was self-evidently embarrassed by her stubbornness to not listen to her fellow panel members.



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03 Feb 2022, 8:38 pm

cyberdad wrote:
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You are off on the dates as southern democrats were against the 60's civil rights, LBJ had a hard time with 'em. Same as the MLK thread, two things can be true at the same time, man can accomplish good in the world and the man's morals be askew.


Oh yes! what became of the southern democrats? did they jump ship and join the republican party?


Pretty much thats exactly what the 1994 off year "Republican Revolution" election was about. It was really the "Dixiecrat Extinction Event" when all of ...both voters and politicians ...who had been Dixiecrats left en masse to join the GOP.



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03 Feb 2022, 8:43 pm

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txfz1 wrote:
You are off on the dates as southern democrats were against the 60's civil rights, LBJ had a hard time with 'em. Same as the MLK thread, two things can be true at the same time, man can accomplish good in the world and the man's morals be askew.


Oh yes! what became of the southern democrats? did they jump ship and join the republican party?


Pretty much thats exactly what the 1994 off year "Republican Revolution" election was about. It was really the "Dixiecrat Extinction Event" when all of ...both voters and politicians ...who had been Dixiecrats left en masse to join the GOP.


So the republican party became the "Noah's ark" for formerly democrat southern white christian segregationists :lol:

Aleluia brothers :lol:



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03 Feb 2022, 8:51 pm

Pretty much.

Back in the Sixties MLK's need his greated ally, the Democratic Party, against his worst enemy, which was...the Democratic Party!

Both wings of the Dems would recruit individual political allies from the GOP. But the GOP as a whole pretty much sat on the sidelines. Then in 1972 Nixon began his "Southern Strategy" to recruit conservative southern whites as voters for the GOP (even if they retained their Dem registration). This continued through the Reagan years. But then in the Gingrich/Clinton era came the actual landslide.



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03 Feb 2022, 8:55 pm

cyberdad wrote:
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You are off on the dates as southern democrats were against the 60's civil rights, LBJ had a hard time with 'em. Same as the MLK thread, two things can be true at the same time, man can accomplish good in the world and the man's morals be askew.


Oh yes! what became of the southern democrats? did they jump ship and join the republican party?


Only the racist Strom converted but then he reverted back, remember Biden praising him.



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03 Feb 2022, 9:51 pm

txfz1 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
txfz1 wrote:
You are off on the dates as southern democrats were against the 60's civil rights, LBJ had a hard time with 'em. Same as the MLK thread, two things can be true at the same time, man can accomplish good in the world and the man's morals be askew.


Oh yes! what became of the southern democrats? did they jump ship and join the republican party?


Only the racist Strom converted but then he reverted back, remember Biden praising him.


Didn't he have a daughter with an African American woman?



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03 Feb 2022, 10:12 pm

Don't know but would not be surprised to find out it's true trivia.



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04 Feb 2022, 12:00 am

One thing about this topic which has stood out to me across a number of sites has been the quantity of openly racist people (those who use\have used racial slurs in describing a person\people in the past, for example) who come out of the woodwork to lecture others on racism.



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04 Feb 2022, 12:10 am

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It's difficult to interpret what was going on in Whoopi's head? but I don't think her intent was to diminish the suffering caused by the holocaust or play some oppression Olympics. She was trying to make her point based on the prism of her world view based on New York where the descendants of European jews are effectively indistinguishable from Europeans so in her mind the oppression of jews in Europe was not about race but about religion/culture.

She made a massive blunder, in retrospect she knew and was self-evidently embarrassed by her stubbornness to not listen to her fellow panel members.

I pretty much agree with the above. She is two years older then me and grew up twenty miles from me. That is why I do not find the idea her remarks came from wokeness likely. Outside of possibly a tiny group of academics nobody was thinking like that. The Jews, The Italians, The Irish etc were considered white ethnic groups.

At the time the Holocaust was just 25 years or so in the rear view mirror. We Jewish kids growing up had the Holocaust, what happened, how it happened, why it happened, and that it happened in an “advanced” country where the Jews were just as assimilated as in America drummed into us. Evidently in Whoopi’s neighborhood this did not happen.


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04 Feb 2022, 12:39 am

cyberdad wrote:
txfz1 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
txfz1 wrote:
You are off on the dates as southern democrats were against the 60's civil rights, LBJ had a hard time with 'em. Same as the MLK thread, two things can be true at the same time, man can accomplish good in the world and the man's morals be askew.


Oh yes! what became of the southern democrats? did they jump ship and join the republican party?


Only the racist Strom converted but then he reverted back, remember Biden praising him.


Didn't he have a daughter with an African American woman?


No.



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04 Feb 2022, 2:51 am

Matrix Glitch wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
txfz1 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
txfz1 wrote:
You are off on the dates as southern democrats were against the 60's civil rights, LBJ had a hard time with 'em. Same as the MLK thread, two things can be true at the same time, man can accomplish good in the world and the man's morals be askew.


Oh yes! what became of the southern democrats? did they jump ship and join the republican party?


Only the racist Strom converted but then he reverted back, remember Biden praising him.


Didn't he have a daughter with an African American woman?


No.


Type "Strom Thurmond" in google and this is the first thing that pops up

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essie_Mae ... n-Williams



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04 Feb 2022, 2:53 am

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It's difficult to interpret what was going on in Whoopi's head? but I don't think her intent was to diminish the suffering caused by the holocaust or play some oppression Olympics. She was trying to make her point based on the prism of her world view based on New York where the descendants of European jews are effectively indistinguishable from Europeans so in her mind the oppression of jews in Europe was not about race but about religion/culture.

She made a massive blunder, in retrospect she knew and was self-evidently embarrassed by her stubbornness to not listen to her fellow panel members.

I pretty much agree with the above. She is two years older then me and grew up twenty miles from me. That is why I do not find the idea her remarks came from wokeness likely. Outside of possibly a tiny group of academics nobody was thinking like that. The Jews, The Italians, The Irish etc were considered white ethnic groups.

At the time the Holocaust was just 25 years or so in the rear view mirror. We Jewish kids growing up had the Holocaust, what happened, how it happened, why it happened, and that it happened in an “advanced” country where the Jews were just as assimilated as in America drummed into us. Evidently in Whoopi’s neighborhood this did not happen.


Agreed. I think there may have been a slight over-reaction to her comments.



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04 Feb 2022, 2:58 am

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One thing about this topic which has stood out to me across a number of sites has been the quantity of openly racist people (those who use\have used racial slurs in describing a person\people in the past, for example) who come out of the woodwork to lecture others on racism.


Isn't it just so irritating!