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10 Mar 2022, 9:25 pm

Misslizard wrote:

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Is war ever justified?

Putin thinks so.

Alas, my question was dodged. Unless your story was saying that war is only justified in self-defense? The Russians do actually have a reasonable case that preventing NATO expansion is just that.

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10 Mar 2022, 9:37 pm

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You are aware that in 2014, when Russia, playing by the rules, offered Ukraine a sweeter deal than the EU, the U.S. [u]overthrew the democratically elected government of Ukraine in a staged and managed mob coup d'etat?[/u] To which the Russians responded by annexing Crimea?

Link?

This is a decent run down:
https://consortiumnews.com/2015/01/06/n ... n-ukraine/

I did try to find a video for you, but I couldn't find one that laid it out quite so well.

Interesting, but it is just another POV.
I am not saying I disbelieve it, however.
Being skeptical is part an parcel of being objective.

It would be interesting to follow up on who Yanukovych actually was.
Was he turely corrupted and under the influence of pootin like Lukashenko, or was he simply put in an untenable position?

Consider Belarus and Lukashenko.
I don't know much about that either, but from what I hear, Lukashenko illegally seized control and is a puppet of pootin. I think the latter is self-evident, don't you?

Firstly, do you agree with this statement?
And if you do, why wouldn't the Yanukovych story have a similar corrupt origin?

You do agree that pootin acts more like a gangster than a statesman, don't you?
Not many men with integrity <sic> go around boasting (by implication) that they can basically assassinate any dissenter they want and violate any country's sovereignty while doing it, would you agree?

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10 Mar 2022, 9:40 pm

Mikah wrote:

Misslizard wrote:

Mikah wrote:

Is war ever justified?

Putin thinks so.

Alas, my question was dodged. Unless your story was saying that war is only justified in self-defense? The Russians do actually have a reasonable case that preventing NATO expansion is just that.

No it wasn’t.
If I’m ( or any nation) invaded ,then it’s justified.
Ukraine did not invade Russia.
Ukraine has a right to decide if it wants to join NATO or not.
NATO had no plans to subjugate Russia.
Not Ukraine’s fault Putin is a paranoid megalomaniac.
What would you do with a home invader?
Give him a big smooch?
Of course you are sitting cosy under the NATO blanket while the Ukraine gets the hell pounded out of it by an invader.
What did your country do when Hitler bombed it?Invite him for tea and biscuits and ask him nicely to stop?
No, you guys kicked some nazi butt.

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10 Mar 2022, 9:48 pm

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It's important to understand that the U S. backed coop in Ukraine supported neo-Nazis.

https://progressive.org/latest/us-reapi ... es-220201/

Well, for a start, this (regarding Germany) is no longer the case:

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Germany is wisely refusing to funnel more weapons into Ukraine, in keeping with its long-standing policy of not sending weapons into conflict zones.

In terms of the kinetic war, it is:

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By contrast, most U.S. politicians and corporate media have fallen in line with a one-sided narrative that paints Russia as the aggressor in Ukraine,

Perhaps, but the fact is, Ukraine as a whole is resolutely rejecting pootin's attempt to install a puppet government.
This speaks for itself in regard to social unity. It isn't a case of a few neo-Nazis being in control:

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The remaining members of parliament voted to form a new government, subverting the political transition and plans for a new election that Yanukovich had publicly agreed to the day before, after meetings with the foreign ministers of France, Germany, and Poland.

I need a rest, so I will leave it there.

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10 Mar 2022, 9:57 pm

^^^^Huh? What does Germany's lack of supplying weapons to the Ukraine have to with the neo-Nazis within their government?

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10 Mar 2022, 10:03 pm

Misslizard wrote:

Mikah wrote:

Misslizard wrote:

Mikah wrote:

Is war ever justified?

Putin thinks so.

Alas, my question was dodged. Unless your story was saying that war is only justified in self-defense? The Russians do actually have a reasonable case that preventing NATO expansion is just that.

To be fair, there were always Oswald Mosleys.

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Just a reminder: under international law, an occupying power has no right of self-defense, and those who are occupied have the right and duty to liberate themselves by any means possible.

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10 Mar 2022, 10:31 pm

Misslizard wrote:

rape your wife?

Let's stick to the facts. This is the only article on the subject I could find:
Russian Soldiers Raping Women, Ukraine Claims

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heard of an incident

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Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba also alleged

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However, so far, there has been no evidence to support either claim.

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Although rape is common during wars, accusations of rape can also be used as a propaganda tool to vilify the enemy and this tactic has been used in past conflicts.

On the other hand...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion#Human_rights_violations_and_war_crimes

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10 Mar 2022, 10:35 pm

funeralxempire wrote:

Misslizard wrote:

Mikah wrote:

Misslizard wrote:

Mikah wrote:

Is war ever justified?

Putin thinks so.

Alas, my question was dodged. Unless your story was saying that war is only justified in self-defense? The Russians do actually have a reasonable case that preventing NATO expansion is just that.

To be fair, there were always Oswald Mosleys.

There is always a few bad apples in a barrel.

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10 Mar 2022, 10:39 pm

r00tb33r wrote:

Misslizard wrote:

rape your wife?

Let's stick to the facts. This is the only article on the subject I could find:
Russian Soldiers Raping Women, Ukraine Claims

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heard of an incident

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Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba also alleged

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However, so far, there has been no evidence to support either claim.

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Although rape is common during wars, accusations of rape can also be used as a propaganda tool to vilify the enemy and this tactic has been used in past conflicts.

On the other hand...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion#Human_rights_violations_and_war_crimes

I didn’t state that any Russian soldier committed rape, but is a common occurrence in war.So it wouldn’t surprise me.

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10 Mar 2022, 10:46 pm

Very possible rape is happening.
https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnBerman/s ... 0586818561

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10 Mar 2022, 10:49 pm

Misslizard wrote:

Very possible rape is happening.
https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnBerman/s ... 0586818561

Yeah that's the alleged incident that Newsweek couldn't confirm.

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10 Mar 2022, 11:03 pm

Mikah wrote:

Pepe wrote:

Mikah wrote:

Link?

This is a decent run down:
https://consortiumnews.com/2015/01/06/n ... n-ukraine/

I did try to find a video for you, but I couldn't find one that laid it out quite so well.

I for one appreciate your extensive knowledge and perspective in this matter. What do you think Putin's goal is?

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10 Mar 2022, 11:11 pm

Misslizard wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

Misslizard wrote:

Mikah wrote:

Misslizard wrote:

Mikah wrote:

Is war ever justified?

Putin thinks so.

Alas, my question was dodged. Unless your story was saying that war is only justified in self-defense? The Russians do actually have a reasonable case that preventing NATO expansion is just that.

To be fair, there were always Oswald Mosleys.

There is always a few bad apples in a barrel.

Even this barrel has a few of 'em. Mosleys I mean.

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10 Mar 2022, 11:20 pm

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What do you think Putin's goal is?

Saving face. He's in full panic now.

...Unless he was planning this to be the bomb voyage to the West. Based on the performance we see it's unlikely the plans were that sophisticated.

I don't think he has any more political fuel left for a campaign in another country after Ukraine.

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10 Mar 2022, 11:25 pm

I bet those rotten apples are also chock full of worms.

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10 Mar 2022, 11:33 pm

r00tb33r wrote:

Matrix Glitch wrote:

What do you think Putin's goal is?

Putin is a very intelligent and calculating individual. It's hard to believe he didn't foresee the current results of his invasion.

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