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25 May 2022, 5:53 pm



The Folks Inhabiting The 'Wrong Planet,' Discussed
in Detail, "The Major Factor Underlying the Increase
in Rampage Killings," Back On December 12, 2012,
After The Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting.

Results in an Informal Poll Then Are As Follows:

Guns. 16%
A New Demographic of Males under the age of 26. 3%
The loss or absence of a Social Role in Society. 27%
Violent Video Games. 4%
Mental Disturbance. 21%
Expiration of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban in 2004. 5%
Other, Please Comment. 24%

In This Case, it Seems That A 'Perfect Storm' of Darkness
Comes into Play to Create A Horrific Act of Misanthropy.

It Seems to me As Reports Have Suggested, 'He' Was Bullied
For Being Different In His Life; Couldn't Find A Social Role in Life;

And Just Couldn't Seem to Fit in Anywhere, With Some Issues That
At Least Seemed Sociopathic and Potentially Psychopathic As Well;

Again, A 'Perfect Cocktail' of Darkness Coming into Play; And

Honestly, Anything The Society Does Here to Eliminate

Variables that Make it So Easy for Someone

To Kill Children And Others This Way,

Is Worth Changing;

At Least to
Lessen The Potential
Harm That Continues to Come to Be...

Yet, After The COVID-19 Fiasco and the
Callous Attitudes about Freedoms Over Health

And Safety; Particularly in the Deep Ignorant South
Where i Live; It's Gonna Take A Lot More Progressive Thinking

AND Voting to Change Anything At All As Florida Closes In
Now to Be On Demand,

A Constitutional
Free For All

Gun Carry
State too;

PeaS in A Pod
of Blind
Ignorance,

Missing 'The
Target' For Real

Indeed WHere
in Some Cases,
'Freedoms/Laws' Harm Thru Kill;

Whether That Be Through
Laws That Don't Protect the
Right Of Young Women to
Terminate Pregnancies When Violently Raped;

Or Whether We Ignore Safety Measures
in Peaks of Deadly Pandemics; And Make

Free For All Gun Toting A Way of Life

As Might

Makes Right;

As True Where i Live,
The Sheriff Went on TV
And Encouraged Folks to Kill
Intruders Who Might Break An
Entering into a Home to Save the County Money,

Even Providing Lessons For Better Aim;

As 'They' Say,

We Become

What We Can And Will
Believe, Consume, And Do...

'Live by the Sword', So Forth And So on...

Yawn, i understand the Need for Vulnerable
Folks to Have Protection From Criminals With Guns...

Yet There Must Be Some Rational Guidelines to Save Lives too...

Freedoms

And Safety;

Always A Mix
For Balance We Do At Best...

Yet Where i Live Women's Rights
to Reproductive Freedoms, Restricting
Any Gun Rights, And Even Protecting Church
Congregants From Their Own Ignorance in Peaks of Deadly
Pandemics Are Basically Considered Sin From The Church Pulpit;

Overall,

It's Big Business/Politics/Religion

Where i Live; Yes, Like Texas too...
It's Hard to Get Folks To Change
'THeir ReligionS,'

No Matter
How Many
Folks Ignorance
Harms, Rapes,
Maims, and Kills Dead; Yuck.

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25 May 2022, 6:37 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
^^

He was driven over the edge by being an impulsive sociopath.
It wasn't that young woman's fault, even if she received his final correspondence.

I hope she gets the counselling she's going to need.

:(

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25 May 2022, 6:43 pm

I think people are rushing to conclusions. Nobody is blaming the girl for what happened.

Clearly, however, the shooter was thinking about the girl as he was getting ready to murder innocent babies though.



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25 May 2022, 6:43 pm

cyberdad wrote:
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He was driven over the edge by a girl.
The cited article gave no such indication.

[opinion=mine]

More likely, he was "driven over the edge" by years of being bullied for his speech impediments, his parent's divorce, the estrangement between him and his mother and step-father, his failure to graduate high school, and his grandmother's scorn for not graduating.

[/opinion]

:shrug: We may never know for certain.


speech impediments?


School Drop-Out Gave Warning on Facebook Minutes Before Uvalde Massacre
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Former friend Santos Valdez Jr. told The Washington Post that the two had been close friends until Ramos’ behavior started to “deteriorate.” He said Ramos, who was often bullied over a speech impediment that included a stutter and lisp, once cut up his own face with a knife “just for fun.”


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25 May 2022, 6:45 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Fnord wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
He was driven over the edge by a girl.
The cited article gave no such indication.

[opinion=mine]

More likely, he was "driven over the edge" by years of being bullied for his speech impediments, his parent's divorce, the estrangement between him and his mother and step-father, his failure to graduate high school, and his grandmother's scorn for not graduating.

[/opinion]

:shrug: We may never know for certain.


speech impediments?


School Drop-Out Gave Warning on Facebook Minutes Before Uvalde Massacre
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Former friend Santos Valdez Jr. told The Washington Post that the two had been close friends until Ramos’ behavior started to “deteriorate.” He said Ramos, who was often bullied over a speech impediment that included a stutter and lisp, once cut up his own face with a knife “just for fun.”

So he self-harmed but his parents thought it was ok to give him access to assault rifles?? I blame the parents,



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25 May 2022, 7:10 pm

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That's why I hate the media follow-up and all the questions of "why". There isn't a quick fix. Most people can't see red flags except in retrospect. We can't start accusing every troubled person of being a potential killer. We can't even force people to get mental health care. .


I might be cancelled again but I completely disagree. The public safety comes first. What we learn from many of these mass shooters is that most of the blame starts with parents who give them access to weapons. Second people who are responsible for these teens turn a blind eye (like schools). If schools did more to counter bullies instead of enabling them then that would be a start,

Understanding the root cause for these shootings is in the public interest.


I agree with you cyberdad. Of course it's in the public interest to deconstruct crimes and try to prevent more.

I don't think we will ever get proper answers about WHY because the perps are dead, and even when they aren't they try to project blame on others. Even if we could get into their head, the reasons wouldn't be logical. If we could get into this recent killer's head prior to the crime we might learn that he was angry about x, y, or z ... but that doesn't mean they are rational reasons to kill a person or a group of innocent, unarmed children. Most of us would say "I was also bullied and I didn't kill people" or "I had a gun but I didn't kill people". We still wouldn't understand.

Instead of asking WHY, I think we should be asking HOW. How did this happen? By that I mean, how did he get access to guns? How did he win a shootout with police? (Reportedly, police were on him prior to entering the school). How did he have access to the building when police were already there? How did the school's lockdown procedure work or fail? How can we better fund mental health programs for at-risk youth? How can we better address bullying / learning disabilities in schools? How can we identify teens who might be vulnerable to this type of behaviour, before it happens?

Focusing on HOW might get us somewhere.

I notice that in your comment, you also ask "how" questions. You've asked how he got access to the guns (Are the parents responsible?) and you've asked how schools might play a role in their treatment of bullies. You ask great questions. Please realise that neither of your questions answer "why" he did it, but they question the chain of events pertaining to how this heinous crime was able to unfold.


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25 May 2022, 7:27 pm

cyberdad wrote:
What we learn from many of these mass shooters is that most of the blame starts with parents who give them access to weapons.


Did you miss the part about his having been 18 and had purchased the guns himself?

It is entirely possible (I haven't been following this too closely, so can't confirm) that he hadn't used a firearm before he went and bought those he used... If someone of similar age gained access to a vehicle and deliberately drove into a crowd, killing a large number of people, would you blame the parents for having "given them access" to a car in the past (particularly if they had no connection to the vehicle involved in the incident)?



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25 May 2022, 7:31 pm

I was watching a video in Florida where in response to a spate of home break ins, a local sheriff told residents to shoot the intruder
https://www.npr.org/2022/04/27/10949531 ... rresponsib

This gives some insight into the gun problem in America where not just having a gun is normalised but where law enforcement is actually telling home owners to use their guns like they were lawnmowers.

Parents therefore need to take personal responsibility for their children and not blindly follow what their friends or people in charge do in giving their teenagers weapons.

Personal responsibility is about knowing that sometimes you live in a country that has archaic laws.



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25 May 2022, 7:32 pm

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Get a load this excrement of what that douche nozzle, Gosar, tweeted... then didn't have the gonads to defend or stick with.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/rep-paul-gos ... 56886.html
As of this posting, Snopes has found no evidence to support the claim that Ramos was an illegal immigrant.

Read the Full Article
 HERE 


Of course it isn't true. But when did that stop the likes of Gosar?


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25 May 2022, 7:33 pm

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Get a load this excrement of what that douche nozzle, Gosar, tweeted... then didn't have the gonads to defend or stick with.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/rep-paul-gos ... 56886.html

It doesn’t get much lower than this.


Why do people behave like that?
Beyond belief. :roll:



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25 May 2022, 7:35 pm

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It has to do with someone who has such a grudge and hatred against society that they will harm the most vulnerable to inflict the most pain.
Gun control is a start ,but you have to address why they have this anger and hatred or they will just run someone over with a truck, blow up a building ,or start stabbing.


I think Amuuriia needs to surrender and give up gun ownership.
We may eventually all be slaves to the New World Order, but these attacks will never stop.

Here is what I don’t get, when I went to school guns were easily available and no one shot up a school.
There has to be something else going on, something in the mindset.


If you believe in a dark psychopathic social underworld, you might find it easier to understand.



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25 May 2022, 7:38 pm

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If the shooter was "trans," so what?

He still killed a bunch of people.


Transphobes like Gosar wanted to use it to smear all Trans people with the shooter's crime. It says more about Gosar and his ilk than about the Trans Americans he had tried demonizing.


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25 May 2022, 7:39 pm

Pepe wrote:
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Kraichgauer wrote:
Get a load this excrement of what that douche nozzle, Gosar, tweeted... then didn't have the gonads to defend or stick with.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/rep-paul-gos ... 56886.html

It doesn’t get much lower than this.


Why do people behave like that?
Beyond belief. :roll:


One word: hate.


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25 May 2022, 7:42 pm

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It’s plausible…yes.


Agreed.
It is plausible.

Violent games "create" a mindset that becomes accustomed to violence.
(But you could also say the 6 o'clock news could do the same.)
That doesn't mean most people will be driven toward antisocial activities.
It means some mentally disturbed people might find it easier.



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25 May 2022, 7:45 pm

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One consistent factor in most mass shootings is the killer is usually a teenager or close to it. I fully expected what I read; "The suspect was an 18-year-old male". So what's causing these kids to go on shooting sprees? Other info makes this look very similar to Sandy Hook. Tragic doesn't begin to describe it. I wonder if like others he exhibited warning signs and or left warning messages.


Do you think video games play a role? I do.


It has never been proven that video game violence causes real world violence.


I use critical thinking and life experience to come to the conclusion that violent imagery, in all its forms, can contribute to antisocial activities, particularly among the young.



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25 May 2022, 7:47 pm

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The choice to take that course of action: why is the choice to harm, to kill, totally NON-INVOLVED people made?
:?: :?: :?:


Revenge on society as a whole.
What "better" way to cause unimaginable grief?