Diocese says school that flew BLM, Pride flags not Catholic

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Can you first answer my question?
I really try to understand the underlying cultural differences.

It should be obvious that some flags are more odious than other flags.

I don't believe the Nazi German flag should have equal status to the modern German flag, for example.

No I don't think it's a problem because the opposite would be big problem. I'm quite sure you don't believe every group and symbol should be universally accepted by the RCC.

What about the Gadsden (Don't Tread On Me) flag used by MAGAs? Should the Catholic church allow that to be flown in Catholic schools I wonder.

I remember there being a huge uproar over Nike embroidering the Colonial flag on the back of its shoes.

It seems if a flag or symbol is condemned by woke, then it's perfectly fine and commendable for it to be banned.

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I take it on a case-by-case basis.

If a 'Black Power" symbol was allowed on school uniforms, say, I would object. Same with a Nazi symbol. It's always best to leave politics out of things, in general.

"Don't Tread On Me" would have been okay before some of the "Alt-Right" appropriated it. It is a symbol of the right not to be oppressed by a colonial power such as Great Britain, or by any overarching government. I wouldn't have seen anything particularly wrong with that flag before this present age.

"Make America Great Again" is a phrase which insults America (which has always been great!)

I believe that:
1. Church is a community, not an army nor a business. Rejecting people from a community needs to have really serious reasons and should be exceptional situations;
2. School is not liturgy, so strict control of expression is inappropriate there. Allowing some expression within a community is something very different from requiring the whole community to embrace such expression. You seem to still have difficulty seeing this difference;
3. Church members see human suffering and show solidarity. If the church has a problem with movements expressing such solidarity and their symbols, it should propose an acceptable alternative to adress the problems. Ignoring human suffering, even forcing people to ignore human suffering or to pretend so - it is extremely un-Christian.

How does not endorsing equate to rejecting? If I don't want to fly a BLM flag or wear a BLM pin, that doesn't mean I'm rejecting black people.



Caholic liturgy rules and regulations is taught in Catholic schools by Catholic priests and nuns, which is why they're called parochial schools.



Charity is a significant priority for the church. Flag waving isn't charity.

Not allowing to wear BLM pins is rejecting active BLM supporters.

Liturgy and regulations are taugh in theological colleges. Catholic schools are just regular schools providing regular education, maybe supplied with more religious formation. The name "parochial" means being associated with a specific parish.
Bottom line: a Catholic school is primarily a regular school. Often the students don't even have to be Catholic.

Ukrainian flags at the entrance to my church show that charity and flag waving perfectly go hand in hand.
What charities do Catholic Church offer to ease suffering of the two abused minorities the "banned" flags represent?

Catholic schools, in New York City, primarily offer secular education. Many of the teachers are members of some religious order associated with the Roman Catholic Church. There are also classes which concentrate on specifically Catholic/religious matters. One doesn't have to be Catholic to attend one of these schools.

The discipline meted out in Catholic schools is often more severe than in public schools. The coursework is sometimes more rigorous than what is found in public schools. Many times, parents believe Catholic schools are preferable to public schools. The curricula must meet state educational standards.

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I lived next to a catholic school and my best friend attended it. It was as I described. I think flag waving makes a statement but it doesn't feed or clothe etc anyone. Morally BLM supported rioting and the rainbow flag represents sexuality.

I would say that some fringe elements of BLM “morally support rioting”—certainly the majority do not.

The impact wreaked by these “fringe elements”, though, outweighs their actual numbers.

The Catholic schools I know of, like the one currently near me, are part of the Catholic church building complex. The kids wear the traditional Catholic school uniform.

Yep…..the students certainly wear the uniform….

BLM seemed to be at the center of the rioting.

It's a tragedy of American society that half of it sees a deep social and systematic problem underlying BLM and the other half sees only the rioting.
The police didn't help by indiscriminately pepper spraying all protesters, peaceful and criminal alike.
It all makes adressing the existing problems far less likely.

I really wonder - are there Catholic initiatives aimed at helping Black Americans being treated more fairly, more inclusively, dismantling the legacy of slavery still lingering in the society?
I know back in 19th century and earlier, there were Catholic abolitionist initiatives. Is there some equivalent today?