Indonesia to ban sex outside of marriage

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I'm trying to remember my UT application.
I applied to Vic and was accepted.
I can't remember if I applied to any of the other UT colleges as a back-up plan.
I don't think I did.
I went on one campus tour for the whole UT, and Vic was the only college I liked.
It's haunted, which made it even more compelling.

I didn't end up choosing Vic or UT, but I took classes there on an exchange program.
Their summer classes were bar-none.
I worked with them quite a bit later in my career.


@Kortie, Here there are quotas of how many students can be registered to each college.
That's how each college keeps up its reputation and admission requirements.
For example, Vic wouldn't be so prestigious if "anyone" at UT could claim to be a Vic student.

Yep. We have quotas, too.

My wife applied to a nursing program while she was matriculating as a student at the greater university, but was rejected. The nursing program required an extremely high Grade Point Average, and one couldn't apply to it "right off the street." One had to have some credits under their belt.

I believe, in other countries, that "matriculation" involves a formal ceremony. In the US, merely attending the college when not an auditor, when one is officially admitted to the college, means you're "matriculated." A student who is auditing classes, yet is not officially admitted into the college, is said to be "non-matriculated."

Apparently, the meaning is the same in UK universities----but the term is rarely used.

I think Vic's admission standard is a minimum of about 3.85 - 3.9 CGPA (out of 4.0)
Grades alone won't get you in though.
The competition is so steep it's largely based on previous awards, volunteer history, and life experience.
I'm sure there's a lot of patronage too.
They ask point blank if your family are alumni.

McGill was even more demanding than Vic.
They only consider the top 1% of CÉGEP or HS grads.

That's sad about your wife but I know she earned her credentials and had a long career in nursing.

Few schools offer audit enrolment now, because of overcrowding and security concerns.

At one time, I wasn't "auditing" classes, but I was taking classes at a graduate school known as the Hunter College School of Social Work, while not officially admitted there. I earned nine credits. I was considered a "non-matriculated" student. After taking the third class, I was forced to apply for admission, but was rejected. GPA wasn't the reason. It was because I didn't have much of a social-work background in undergrad.

I also took one graduate course at the Graduate Center. A course pertaining to research methods.

Wow we're totally off-topic but this is interesting.
I don't understand matriculation.
You were taking grad-level classes for credit, and being graded, but you hadn't applied or been accepted?
Were you registered and you had a student card?
I assume you paid tuition?
Was it Continuing Education available to the public?


I taught some CE night classes in Adult ESL many moons ago.
Actually I'd forgotten all about that!
They were through my Uni but open to the public.

I was also a Department Head for many years.
I look back at that with shock and awe lol.

I wasn't admitted to Hunter. I was allowed to take three full courses on a non-matriculated basis. It was, basically, from "the goodness of their heart." I did have a "student card." I paid full tuition.

If I had been officially accepted to this Hunter grad school, I would have been a "matriculated student."

When a student is matriculated in an American college/university on an undergrad basis, it means the student was accepted there, and is taking classes there. It is not required that the student "declare a major."

I'm still not familiar with that as a practice.
Here, senior undergrads can occasionally sit a Master's seminar as part of their UG degree.
It's fairly exceptional and only allowed with departmental permission.
The student has to be enrolled in their UG concurrently.
Otherwise, no one takes Master's classes without acceptance including the Letter of Intent, GRE scores etc.

I had already graduated from Marymount. I wasn't an undergrad.

I guess that was Hunter's policy at the time, to have students take courses to "see if it would be worth it to pursue (social work) further"----aka "from the goodness of their heart."

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That's great that they allowed it.
I think more people should experience grad school.
It's so much more engaging than UG.

I'm sorry you weren't accepted after all that work.
You were working full-time during your UG so how on earth could you get a practicum?
I thought they might have different standards for adult and returning students.

The standards for the practicum were the same for all students.

I was offered "accommodations" after I told one of the professors my history. I refused them. I wouldn't have received "full" accommodations; it would have been on an informal basis.

I was able to do the practicum because I worked nights. My observations of classes usually ended by noon. I could also do exclusively morning therapy sessions.

The undergrad practicum wasn't really rigorous. Even so, I only got a B-minus, my lowest grade of my entire college career.

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The social work courses at Hunter weren't difficult at all. They were seminar-style courses. The papers were much easier than what occurred in my undergrad courses.

Hell, I would have taken the accommodations!

I didn't have any in school because I went so long ago. I don't think "accommodations" even existed.

We had no exceptions for anything.

I remember one of my first-year profs wrote in the syllabus something like "I don't care if your grandmother dies. Do your work two weeks ahead of time so she can die at her leisure".

Things were due at a certain time, and if you submitted one minute late you could fail or drop a few letters (A - C, for example), as a penalty.

Back on topic, the key question is whether anyone had premarital sex with or without matriculation?

In most "intro" courses, the professors like to sort of "get tough." After "intro," the atmosphere was a lot less tense.

I first had "premarital" sex 17 years before I got married. I "sinned" many times afterwards. After I got married, I never had sex with anyone but my wife.

Intro classes, survey classes, and prerequisites were always the worst.
Psych 100 was brutal. I had about 1500 students in my class.
Every exam was multiple choice, so TAs could grade quickly.
I suck at multiple choice because of my autistic brain (micro-analysis).

I had a long-distance boyfriend for my whole UG.
We didn't sleep together until marriage despite some hanky-panky.
I was assaulted one night in Frosh, but that's about it in terms of premarital.
I suppose I'm premaritalling now though, since I'm single again.

I was lucky in that I went to a small school---I don't believe I had a class with as many as 35 people in it. There were multiple-choice questions, though, and I believe TA's sometimes marked the tests.

I feel like Indonesia would only go nuts with that law if a political opponent of the president did premarital sex. If you were a tourist in Bali, say, I doubt they would bother sending cops to Bali in order to arrest the both of you.

Psych 100 was always an exception to class size, since nearly everyone had to take it.
TAs graded everything in all my classes in UG, but with supervision of course.

I don't know why people are so fascinated with going to Asia, with all the crazy politics.
Between the overpopulation and the risk of being caned, I'd rather be waterboarded with hot wax than go.