[IMPORTANT] Hamas launches foot assault against settlements.

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True Israel:

None of these civillians deserve to die.
On neither side.

It doesn't matter what Tolkien's religious beliefs were.

I stated my stance because I disagreed with your statement, not "for the sake of arguing." It's just a bit insensitive in my opinion to say that humans don't deserve to survive because of electing the wrong people and for not acting in their "self-interest," especially in this particular thread. People are dying. This situation is devastating.

Fnord posted this is merely a excerpt of that post :Bolstered by this policy, Hamas grew stronger and stronger until Saturday, Israel's "Pearl Harbor", the bloodiest day in its history -- when terrorists crossed the border, slaughtered hundreds of Israelis and kidnapped an unknown number under the cover of thousands of rockets fired at towns throughout the country's south and center.

This is obvious propaganga by Israel , version of a mini 9/11 ....Truthfully the 6 day War was the greatest loss of life
i believe.
Israel needs an excuse to slaughter these people in this region it might appear? As we had done with Iraq ..!
Turning it into a Israeli puppet state.
If you consider what Magz wrote farther above in this thread : Concerning the Moussad( Iraeli intelligence div.)
Moussad has very close contacts , with all Western intelligence agencies . Yes indeed it would be highly improbable
that the Moussad did not have foreknowledge of this large coordinated event . Thereby confirming that this event was intentionally allowed to happen .IMHO But they possibly did not plan on Palestinian supporters around the world reacting positively .
Nor western civilization growing past the rhetorical beliefs of Christian based people ,who have advanced beyond the concepts of the bible being a absolute end all be all truth book . There is just too much real life archeological info that has made it to light .To be supportive of the concepts of Israels right to behave in the area they claim to have rights to. Causing their own form of death and destruction . Please do not misconstrue my post as anti-semetic but observations of historical knowledge and a singular observation.

I'm under an impression that Israel has very typical colonial (im-)balance of power.
Powerful, technologically advanced state supports settlers taking land away from the indigenous people, pushing them into overcrowded, poverty- and disease-stricken enclosed areas and denying rights outside of them, while the disadvantaged indigenous people resort to cruelty and terrorism...
Rings a bell from history classes?

What boggles my mind is what truly goes on in the minds of these settlers. Most of them hold European/American citizenships, and Europe is no longer discriminatory against Jews as it was in pre-WWII times. Why, in their right mind, would they choose to live in a settlement that is susceptible to indigenous raids, instead of residing in the the secure countries they originally came from?

The religious sentiment must be strong in those.

@magz, Israelis consider themselves to the be indigenous tho and view Palestinians as descendants of Arab conquerors, they deny the Canaanite ancestry of Palestinians to support this narrative.

I mean, check for example the VERY CAREFUL wording (and deceival, not being true to the study) of this article: https://www.timesofisrael.com/the-canaa ... o-lebanon/

"The Canaanites weren’t annihilated, they just ‘moved’ to Lebanon" --> Because they simply don't want to associate Palestinians with Canaanites, denying Palestinian's ancestry is very important to justify the Zionist narrative.