Did Bush Ever Get This Kind of Reaction?

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12 Sep 2009, 8:04 pm

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(AP) Tens of thousands of protesters fed up with government spending marched to the U.S. Capitol on Saturday, showing their disdain for the president's health care plan with slogans such as "Obamacare makes me sick" and "I'm not your ATM."

The line of protesters clogged several blocks near capitol, according to the D.C. Homeland Security and Emergency Management Agency. Demonstrators chanted "enough, enough" and "We the People." Others yelled "You lie, you lie!" and "Pelosi has to go," referring to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.

Throngs of people waved U.S. flags and held signs reading "Go Green Recycle Congress" and "I'm Not Your ATM." Men wore colonial costumes as they listened to speakers who warned of "judgment day" _ Election Day 2010.

Other signs _ reflecting the growing intensity of the health care debate _ depicted President Barack Obama with the signature mustache of Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler. Many made reference to Obama as a socialist or communist, and another imposed his face on that of the villainous Joker from "Batman."

Richard Brigle, 57, a Vietnam War veteran and former Teamster, came from Paw Paw, Mich. He said health care needs to be reformed _ but not according to Obama's plan.

"My grandkids are going to be paying for this. It's going to cost too much money that we don't have," he said while marching, bracing himself with a wooden cane as he walked.

FreedomWorks Foundation, a conservative organization led by former House Majority Leader Dick Armey, organized several groups from across the country for what they billed as a "March on Washington."

Organizers say they built on momentum from the April "tea party" demonstrations held nationwide to protest tax policies, along with growing resentment over the economic stimulus packages and bank bailouts.

Armey and other speakers directed their ire at Pelosi _ Armey took a photo, telling the crowd he wanted to be able to prove to her they were there.

"If it's necessary, we'll come back here next year," he said.

Many protesters said they paid their own way to the event _ an ethic they believe should be applied to the government. They say unchecked spending on things like a government-run health insurance option could increase inflation and lead to economic ruin.

Terri Hall, 45, of Starke, Fla., said she felt compelled to become political for the first time this year because she was upset by government spending.

"Our government has lost sight of the powers they were granted," she said. She added that the deficit spending was out of control, and said she thought it was putting the country at risk.

Race also became an issue when a black Republican leader denounced African-American politicians that she said had an "affinity" for socialism.

"I'm outraged prominent black politicians use the race card" to cover up their failed policies, said Deneen Borelli.

Lawmakers also supported the rally. Rep. Mike Pence, chairman of the House Republican Conference, said Americans want health care reform but they don't want a government takeover.

"Republicans, Democrats and independents are stepping up and demanding we put our fiscal house in order," Pence, of Indiana, told The Associated Press.

"I think the overriding message after years of borrowing, spending and bailouts is enough is enough."

Rep. Tom Price, R-Ga., and Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., also spoke at the rally. DeMint said he'd had enough of "Alice in Wonderland" politicians promising more programs at the risk of financial disaster.

"The president has warned us if we disagree with him he's going to call us out," DeMint said. "Well, Mr. President, we are out."

Norman Kennedy, 64, of Charleston, S.C., said he wants to send a message to federal lawmakers that America is "deeply in debt." He said though he'd like everyone to have free health care, he said there's no money to pay for it.
"We want change and we're going to get change," Kennedy said. "I want to see fiscal responsibility and if that means changing Congress that will be a means to that end."

Other sponsors of the rally include the Heartland Institute, Americans for Tax Reform and the Ayn Rand Center for Individuals Rights. Other scheduled speakers included actor Stephen Baldwin and C. Boyden Gray, who worked under the administration of George H.W. Bush.


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12 Sep 2009, 8:25 pm

There was a lot more than tens of thousands. ABC News reported 2 million and the DC police said 1.2 million. 8O That would be more than Obama's inauguration.



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12 Sep 2009, 8:49 pm

The DC Fire Department has issued an unofficial estimate of 60,000 to 70,000 people in attendance, which is smallish by big DC protest/event standards but definitely respectable. Meanwhile, organizers and various participants are claiming one or two million have shown up but that the numbers are being suppressed by pro-Obama media, etc.

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12 Sep 2009, 9:01 pm

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That's one photo I've seen floating around.

I'm surprised MSM is even reporting there was a protest so whatever they "estimate" is probably an extremely conservative one if not completely bias.



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12 Sep 2009, 9:13 pm

to answer the question bush never got this kind of crap mostly because he would have had them tossed in jail.



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12 Sep 2009, 9:16 pm

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to answer the question bush never got this kind of crap mostly because he would have had them tossed in jail.


Agreed. I find this so utterly stupid, and disrespectful! Plus, it's a blatant case of unrealistic expectations, of a president who has not been in office for a whole year yet! I have always wondered about the mob mentality of people who love to congregate in large crowds and indulge in pointless, emotional displays.


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12 Sep 2009, 9:19 pm

Who did Bush ever have thrown in jail for protesting?



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12 Sep 2009, 9:26 pm

Jacoby wrote:
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That's one photo I've seen floating around.

I'm surprised MSM is even reporting there was a protest so whatever they "estimate" is probably an extremely conservative one if not completely bias.


this is what 200,000 to 300,000 people look like

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12 Sep 2009, 9:29 pm

A pair of teachers got tossed out of a hall and in to jail until he left town for wearing anti-war shirts to one of his speechs. I'd have to go poking around to find more but thats what comes to mind off the top of my head.



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12 Sep 2009, 9:40 pm

And they weren't disrupting at all or was it a "don't tase me bro" kind of thing? I'm sure more than 2 were arrested in the last round of town halls we've had too.

The only protesters I remember being arrested during those anti-war protests were the types who wore masks, broke windows, and threw stuff at police. There were only a tiny fraction of people involved in those protests that did that though.



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12 Sep 2009, 9:41 pm

So those who sold us out during the first six years of Bush and got Democrats elected, now want back in, and their seat at the trough. While I do think getting rid of Congress is a good idea, electing other politicians is not.

I could all be stopped by the "No Party", electing ten to the Senate who vote no. No War, No Bailouts, and it is time to cut the governments down to size. Government employees also need 16% unemployment. That cut alone could pay off the National Debt, which is now equal to all the stock on the stock market.

Coming up to 2010 we are going to have lot of bank failures as the commercial real estate lending business goes bad, unemployment will be over 10%, housing is still dropping, and as the government has gone as far as they can in debt, with litttle result, there is nothing to stop a slide into a much deeper depression.

The only way is to cut costs. Most of the States are bankrupt, and they will cut off your water before their retirement funds. Corporate America no longer has lifetime jobs with a fixed retirement, why do States?

One of the States making it is Texas, because it is huge. All of New England should be one State, we could do well with eight States. We need regional planning, and less players.

With our 401Ks melted, houses worth half, and 16% unemployed, Government is the only place to cut costs.

I think we should have Universal Health Care, and all Public Employees should use it.

Social Security should become the only retirement system. All Public Employees should use it.

No one should get a pension for serving twelve years in Congress, or twenty at a State job, one retirement for all.

Like the Pay Czar telling Bankers and Auto companies how much they can pay on the taxpayers dime, governents should not be allowed to set thier own pay, and raises should be voted on by the people who will pay for it.

Two million in Washington is just the Bush Base trying to get back in, the War Babies number 40,000,000, and they have just lost trillions.

Time for a chainsaw and some super glue.

The only way to put a stop to this is, Just Vote No!

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12 Sep 2009, 11:06 pm

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13 Sep 2009, 12:44 am

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Aboard the Tea Party Express (CNN) -- From the stage, Deborah Johns is the angry conscience of the tea party movement.

Question everything your government is doing," she tells a crowd of about 100 from the bus's stage in the parking lot of the Winners casino in Winnemucca, Nevada.

Under a setting sun on the steps of the state capitol in Little Rock, Arkansas, Johns says: "Our men and women took an oath when they put on the uniform to defend and protect this country from enemies both foreign and domestic. I think we've got some domestic enemies in the White House."

On a sunny afternoon in Louisville, Kentucky, Johns works the crowd of about 2,000 into a frenzy.

"The men and women in our military didn't fight and die for this country for a communist in the White House," she says, and the crowd erupts in a chant of "U-S-A, U-S-A!" Watch rally participants converge on Washington »

On the bus, Johns slips off her heels and slips on a pair of ankle socks. She curls up under a quilt her grandmother made. She favors skirts and cardigans -- a pit bull in cashmere.

She leads the rallies in each city with Mark Williams, a former talk radio host who now writes books and makes the rounds on cable TV chat shows. Both work for Our Country Deserves Better, the conservative political action committee sponsoring the Tea Party Express bus tour.

The tour concluded Saturday at the U.S. Capitol in Washington after a 34-stop tour that began August 28 in Sacramento, California.

Williams is the showman of the bunch. His signature line when he gets the mic goes like this: "You can have our country when you pry it from our ... cold ... dead ... fingers!" Again the crowd erupts. Watch scenes from Tea Party Express rallies »

Seldom seen on stage are the two gurus of the tea party movement, veteran politico Sal Russo and his protégé, Joe Wierzbicki. They are charged with turning the passion on display at the tea parties into political action.

They have three goals: Defeat President Obama's health care reform efforts, win back the House and Senate in 2010 and take the White House in 2012.

Russo grew up in a house full of working-class Democrats in Monterey, California, and nearly gave his father a heart attack when he became a Republican. His first paid gig in politics was working for Ronald Reagan's 1966 California gubernatorial campaign, and he has worked in conservative politics ever since.

Russo often watches the raucous tea party events from his perch in the bus. Besides Johns and Williams each event features several musical acts and featured speakers.

The crowd is its own sideshow. Tea partyers are a creative lot, and many in the crowd express themselves by way of their clothing and signs. See some of the getups and signs »

"Obamacare Condense Cream of Crap soup" reads a sign in Sparks, Nevada. In Dallas, Texas, a darker mood prevails. A homemade sign with "Obama Lies" features a bold, black swastika.

As the tour moves on, Nazi imagery becomes more prominent -- and sometimes confused. One sign at the Alamo in San Antonio, Texas, has Obama's portrait sandwiched between pictures of Adolf Hitler and communist philosopher Karl Marx. In Canton,Ohio, Obama and Hitler adorn a sign reading "Hitler made great speeches, too."

In Elko, Nevada, over a Basque supper of oxtail, lamb and sweetbreads, Russo assesses the tea party movement.

"There are some people who are mad at everyone," he says, "but there are others who say, 'How do we move beyond this and turn it into action?'"

Rare is the conversation with Russo in which he doesn't bring up the name of his idol and one-time boss, Ronald Reagan. But if there is a Reagan out there to take the reins of the tea party movement, Russo doesn't know who that person is.

"It's opened for a leader. I don't see anyone out there that can grab it," he says. "I'll be surprised if someone emerges. I don't see who that is."

Many in the crowd hope former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin will emerge as the leader of the movement, "but she has so many negatives," Russo says.

If the tea party movement has an architect, it is Joe Wierzbicki. Unassuming in wrinkled khakis and a polo shirt, he is in near perpetual motion. Hands gesturing wildly through the air, he describes his plan.

"There are going to be stops along the way. The first stop is going to be the health care reform act," he says.

If the tea partyers can play a part in stopping the president's health care efforts they will be poised for a much bigger challenge: taking control of Congress from the Democrats, he says.

"Those politicians that aren't responsive to this message are going to face a lot of trouble in their re-election bids in 2010," he says.

That the tea party movement has no leader at this point is just fine with Wierzbicki. He says right now the movement is centered on a few key issues: taxes, expansion and distrust of Obama.

"If there was a leader there might be a divisive factor," he says.

In Wierzbicki's plan, the movement doesn't need a leader until after the 2010 election.

"From then to 2012 is probably the period of time when you'll find a big national leader that will emerge that the majority of the people in this movement will feel comfortable following," he says.

No one on the tea party express seems concerned with the vocal fringe of the crowds that come with offensive signs -- besides Nazi imagery, a poster of Obama as an African witch doctor has become popular -- or the numerous conspiracy theories that float around most tea parties.

In Battle Creek, Michigan, a woman in her 60s says, "I really don't want to be a guinea pig for the experiment they have with the population control." In Canton, Ohio, a woman argues with an Obama supporter: "He's going after our kids to try to indoctrinate them into a national defense army."

The Tea Party Express tour has been free of violence, but occasional outbursts of vitriolic hatred toward the president combined with some menacing outward appearances often overshadow the more moderate tea partyers. iReport.com: Weigh in on health care

In Louisville, Kentucky, two young men in camouflage fatigues roamed the crowd trying to recruit new members for their militia called the Ohio Valley Freedom Fighters. They bear signs reading "AK-47s: today's pitchfork" and "Quit worrying. Start your militia training today."

In Jackson, Michigan, a young man didn't need a sign. He was carrying the real thing: A loaded AK-47 assault rifle and two loaded handguns.

"I don't want a revolution. I don't want a civil war," he said. "But it is a possibility. It's there as an option, as a last resort."

From the stage, Deborah Johns and Mark Williams never interact with most of these characters. Russo shrugs it off, saying that the early stages of every political movement have people like this.


To Wierzbicki these troubling elements are just part of the price of a grassroots movement. He is convinced they will not derail the movement.

"The message will be moderated by the time it gets to 2010," he says.


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13 Sep 2009, 12:44 am

Bush? He would have them all locked into "free speech zones" on barges in the Potomac. And then would put them all on the no-fly list.

I love how gun-toting nuts at protests are patriotic, concerned citizens who deserve lots of serious of airtime, but war protesters were/are wild-eyed, violet hippies (who probably take drugs and fornicate too much) who must be marginalized in the press. There were huge anti-war protests, but so many people don't know because it just wasn't reported.

As to whether people were arrested at Bush events:

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Thousands arrested in New York City
By Bill Van Auken
2 September 2004

The New York City Police Department (NYPD) has launched a harsh crackdown against anti-Bush protesters, arresting between 1,500 and 2,000 since demonstrations against the Republican National Convention began last Friday.

Cops carried out arbitrary mass arrests in different parts of the city on Tuesday, corralling hundreds in orange plastic netting—the latest police tool for suppressing the right to assembly—before handcuffing and loading them into jail buses.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/sep2004/prot-s02.shtml

I know you're not supposed to want to become your enemy, but I wish there was an 'evil' Obama -- like the evil Spock who had the goatee. He'd kick a**, tell Joe Wilson to STFU, and laugh every time someone said "bipartisanship."


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13 Sep 2009, 12:55 am

hartzofspace wrote:
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to answer the question bush never got this kind of crap mostly because he would have had them tossed in jail.


Agreed. I find this so utterly stupid, and disrespectful! Plus, it's a blatant case of unrealistic expectations, of a president who has not been in office for a whole year yet! I have always wondered about the mob mentality of people who love to congregate in large crowds and indulge in pointless, emotional displays.


That argument, the "Give him time" argument, is getting past it's use by date... Obama has had nine months to do his magical "change" act that he promised us all, and in those nine months, he not only has yet to accomplish anything, he has yet to present a workable plan to accomplish anything... he doesn't seem to be interested in "change" anymore... thanks to the patriot act, he has the power, with the stroke of a pen, to effect all sorts of change, but so far the only thing he's changed is the balance sheets of certain banks (although many argue that he's also managed to change his birth certificate, college transcripts, passport records, and medical history)... is this the sort of change he was talking about when he made all those promises (YES WE CAN!)?

Or was he talking about the more tangible type of change, the kind 10% of us are begging on streetcorners for?

Nine months might not be enough time to change much, but it's more than enough time to START to make changes... when can we expect him to START to change things? Is he putting that part off until after the reelection?



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13 Sep 2009, 12:59 am

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From the stage, Deborah Johns is the angry conscience of the tea party movement.

Question everything your government is doing," she tells a crowd of about 100 from the bus's stage in the parking lot of the Winners casino in Winnemucca, Nevada.


Where was she when idiot Bush was president?