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Ambivalence
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07 Mar 2010, 6:23 am
07 Mar 2010, 8:16 am
Inventor wrote:
He does have the backing of China. One of their larger oil supplies, a customer for Silkworm Missiles.
9/11, planes hijacked, and no one could find them? One I would think possible, but the second, and the Pentagon? We have Radar, we have airborn radar, we have fighters, but none were used?
Oil was $13, Haliburton bought the White House, it was an all Saudi mission.
The Big Lie.
Atomic weapons are useless, for if anyone launches, everyone will.
We are not talking your grandfather's atomics, that could take out a city, a hundred times that is a small one now.
The Silkworm counters sea power, and after eight years, more expense than WWII, the Taliban controls half of Afganistan, so our land power is not working.
In Iraq the Iranian faction now holds the government. Baghdad to Basra is within fifty miles of the border.
On the home front the stock market is down in adjusted dollars, 30% since 1999, 15,000,000 surplus workers, the worst health care and education in the industrial world.
Governments exist to see to the health, education, and welfare of the people. We don't have one.
Even Vietnam saw a paper tiger.
9/11, planes hijacked, and no one could find them? One I would think possible, but the second, and the Pentagon? We have Radar, we have airborn radar, we have fighters, but none were used?
Oil was $13, Haliburton bought the White House, it was an all Saudi mission.
The Big Lie.
Atomic weapons are useless, for if anyone launches, everyone will.
We are not talking your grandfather's atomics, that could take out a city, a hundred times that is a small one now.
The Silkworm counters sea power, and after eight years, more expense than WWII, the Taliban controls half of Afganistan, so our land power is not working.
In Iraq the Iranian faction now holds the government. Baghdad to Basra is within fifty miles of the border.
On the home front the stock market is down in adjusted dollars, 30% since 1999, 15,000,000 surplus workers, the worst health care and education in the industrial world.
Governments exist to see to the health, education, and welfare of the people. We don't have one.
Even Vietnam saw a paper tiger.
you forgot to mention 4,000 jews skipped work that day at the WTC.
07 Mar 2010, 2:50 pm
Ambivalence wrote:
And if at some point the Americans lost a CBG to nuclear attack, I wouldn't want to be within five miles of any Iranian military facility.
When would you ever want to be?
As for some of the conspiracy claims...
Why we didn't use radar:
Quote:
In the decade before 9/11, NORAD intercepted only one civilian plane over North America: golfer Payne Stewart's Learjet, in October 1999. With passengers and crew unconscious from cabin decompression, the plane lost radio contact but remained in transponder contact until it crashed. Even so, it took an F-16 1 hour and 22 minutes to reach the stricken jet. Rules in effect back then, and on 9/11, prohibited supersonic flight on intercepts. Prior to 9/11, all other NORAD interceptions were limited to offshore Air Defense Identification Zones (ADIZ). "Until 9/11 there was no domestic ADIZ," FAA spokesman Bill Schumann tells PM. After 9/11, NORAD and the FAA increased cooperation, setting up hotlines between ATCs and NORAD command centers, according to officials from both agencies. NORAD has also increased its fighter coverage and has installed radar to monitor airspace over the continent.
Why we didn't use fighters:
Quote:
On 9/11 there were only 14 fighter jets on alert in the contiguous 48 states. No computer network or alarm automatically alerted the North American Air Defense Command (NORAD) of missing planes. "They [civilian Air Traffic Control, or ATC] had to pick up the phone and literally dial us," says Maj. Douglas Martin, public affairs officer for NORAD. Boston Center, one of 22 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) regional ATC facilities, called NORAD's Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) three times: at 8:37 am EST to inform NEADS that Flight 11 was hijacked; at 9:21 am to inform the agency, mistakenly, that Flight 11 was headed for Washington (the plane had hit the North Tower 35 minutes earlier); and at 9:41 am to (erroneously) identify Delta Air Lines Flight 1989 from Boston as a possible hijacking. The New York ATC called NEADS at 9:03 am to report that United Flight 175 had been hijacked — the same time the plane slammed into the South Tower. Within minutes of that first call from Boston Center, NEADS scrambled two F-15s from Otis Air Force Base in Falmouth, Mass., and three F-16s from Langley Air National Guard Base in Hampton, Va. None of the fighters got anywhere near the pirated planes.
Why couldn't ATC find the hijacked flights? When the hijackers turned off the planes' transponders, which broadcast identifying signals, ATC had to search 4500 identical radar blips crisscrossing some of the country's busiest air corridors. And NORAD's sophisticated radar? It ringed the continent, looking outward for threats, not inward. "It was like a doughnut," Martin says. "There was no coverage in the middle." Pre-9/11, flights originating in the States were not seen as threats and NORAD wasn't prepared to track them.
Why couldn't ATC find the hijacked flights? When the hijackers turned off the planes' transponders, which broadcast identifying signals, ATC had to search 4500 identical radar blips crisscrossing some of the country's busiest air corridors. And NORAD's sophisticated radar? It ringed the continent, looking outward for threats, not inward. "It was like a doughnut," Martin says. "There was no coverage in the middle." Pre-9/11, flights originating in the States were not seen as threats and NORAD wasn't prepared to track them.
07 Mar 2010, 8:17 pm
08 Mar 2010, 12:14 am
pat2rome wrote:
Ambivalence wrote:
And if at some point the Americans lost a CBG to nuclear attack, I wouldn't want to be within five miles of any Iranian military facility.
When would you ever want to be?
As for some of the conspiracy claims...
Why we didn't use radar:
Quote:
In the decade before 9/11, NORAD intercepted only one civilian plane over North America: golfer Payne Stewart's Learjet, in October 1999. With passengers and crew unconscious from cabin decompression, the plane lost radio contact but remained in transponder contact until it crashed. Even so, it took an F-16 1 hour and 22 minutes to reach the stricken jet. Rules in effect back then, and on 9/11, prohibited supersonic flight on intercepts. Prior to 9/11, all other NORAD interceptions were limited to offshore Air Defense Identification Zones (ADIZ). "Until 9/11 there was no domestic ADIZ," FAA spokesman Bill Schumann tells PM. After 9/11, NORAD and the FAA increased cooperation, setting up hotlines between ATCs and NORAD command centers, according to officials from both agencies. NORAD has also increased its fighter coverage and has installed radar to monitor airspace over the continent.
Why we didn't use fighters:
Quote:
On 9/11 there were only 14 fighter jets on alert in the contiguous 48 states. No computer network or alarm automatically alerted the North American Air Defense Command (NORAD) of missing planes. "They [civilian Air Traffic Control, or ATC] had to pick up the phone and literally dial us," says Maj. Douglas Martin, public affairs officer for NORAD. Boston Center, one of 22 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) regional ATC facilities, called NORAD's Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) three times: at 8:37 am EST to inform NEADS that Flight 11 was hijacked; at 9:21 am to inform the agency, mistakenly, that Flight 11 was headed for Washington (the plane had hit the North Tower 35 minutes earlier); and at 9:41 am to (erroneously) identify Delta Air Lines Flight 1989 from Boston as a possible hijacking. The New York ATC called NEADS at 9:03 am to report that United Flight 175 had been hijacked — the same time the plane slammed into the South Tower. Within minutes of that first call from Boston Center, NEADS scrambled two F-15s from Otis Air Force Base in Falmouth, Mass., and three F-16s from Langley Air National Guard Base in Hampton, Va. None of the fighters got anywhere near the pirated planes.
Why couldn't ATC find the hijacked flights? When the hijackers turned off the planes' transponders, which broadcast identifying signals, ATC had to search 4500 identical radar blips crisscrossing some of the country's busiest air corridors. And NORAD's sophisticated radar? It ringed the continent, looking outward for threats, not inward. "It was like a doughnut," Martin says. "There was no coverage in the middle." Pre-9/11, flights originating in the States were not seen as threats and NORAD wasn't prepared to track them.
Why couldn't ATC find the hijacked flights? When the hijackers turned off the planes' transponders, which broadcast identifying signals, ATC had to search 4500 identical radar blips crisscrossing some of the country's busiest air corridors. And NORAD's sophisticated radar? It ringed the continent, looking outward for threats, not inward. "It was like a doughnut," Martin says. "There was no coverage in the middle." Pre-9/11, flights originating in the States were not seen as threats and NORAD wasn't prepared to track them.
The Big Lie.
Radar is everywhere, and the transponder attaches an ID, Radar targets without an ID stand out. After the first plane, anything on that vector stands our, no transponder, heading for New York.
We never thought there could be a disaster, the FEMA excuse in New Orleans, delivered a week later.
We do not have a government. We have bankers, oil, and defense industries making plans.
AWAC looks where it is going, full battle mode, can track hundreds of targets at once.
The United States Department of Defense, Lies, and Excuses.
So they are fully prepared to meet Soviet Union Fighters? The old CCCP?
They spend trillions to watch a few planes fly to Cuba?
As I recall their commercials, anything as big as a basketball this side of the moon, and we are on it.
We have space based radar that watches Americans. It is in real time, the plane that took off here can be tracked.
After spending twice as much money and time as WWII they are at a loss to understand why Afganis are winning? Our military is only for training to join The Haliburton Private Contracters.
When a system fails as often as they do, they should be abolished.
Having our defenses is the same as having none, so what are we paying for?
They are only an excuse for defense contractor pork.
They exist to protect the government of the banks and oil companies from the people.
We The People would be a lot safer without a government or military.
Oil at $13, no wars in sight, they had to do something to keep making that money.
There is an Election coming, another in two years, they all have to go, before they declare Martial Law.
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