Gulf oil fix stymied; oil hits Alabama beaches

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09 May 2010, 1:38 am

Icy crystals foil attempt to cap oil leak
Tar balls reported washing ashore on Alabama island

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37008288/ns ... oil_spill/



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09 May 2010, 2:07 am

It never fails to amaze me how oil companies never have a viable plan for this sort of contingency



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09 May 2010, 2:35 am

it is a law in some countries.

a little research into Blowout Contingency Plans
http://www.jwco.com/technical-litterature/p04.htm


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09 May 2010, 2:38 am

Wonder how long before they are forced to plug it / and why not yet?



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09 May 2010, 2:41 am

^ Yeah, but how much are they really going to end up losing over all this. Especially in comparison to their profits. They don't really seem to be punished for these things. If there was a corporate "death penalty" for spills, they'd care a lot more, I'd bet. Or even if they just had to actually pay all the losses that will result from the spill.

Exxon delayed for what, 20 years -- and I gather if you lift up rocks where the spill happened today there's still crude under there.



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09 May 2010, 2:45 am

I foresee a Bankruptcy Pact / Bailout Plan - oh look BP



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09 May 2010, 3:35 am

what an obscene waste. just who are multinational corporations accountable to, anyway?



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09 May 2010, 3:49 am

Their stock holders.



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09 May 2010, 5:08 am

DaWalker wrote:
Their stock holders.


do any of their stockholders care about anything 'cept the bottom line? just wondering... IOW it doesn't seem they are raising a peep about the nastiness of the situation other than that the lost oil and clean up etc. will cost them.



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09 May 2010, 9:36 am

What's worse is the fact that they are being given the green flag to continue polluting all they want while they figure out how to get their oil, regardless of any consequences obviously.

I do believe this whole thing will be played off as Obama's Katrina,
when it should really be played as Obama's 911.



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09 May 2010, 2:32 pm

auntblabby wrote:
what an obscene waste. just who are multinational corporations accountable to, anyway?


Everyone. People may like to think that they are accountable to their stockholders, or governments, or whatever, but they aren't, they are accountable to all of us. It's my (and your) friggin' planet as much as it is some capitalist pig executive's or some capitalist pig shareholder's, and if they mess it up, they are accountable to us, regardless of whether we hold that as any kind of "legal" right (we don't, of course) under such inadequate laws as concern that sort of thing.


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09 May 2010, 3:14 pm

BP shares the confusion of responsibility and accountability.

It is portrayed as if there is no difference at all.

It's called "Spin".



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09 May 2010, 3:18 pm

Ambivalence wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
what an obscene waste. just who are multinational corporations accountable to, anyway?


Everyone. People may like to think that they are accountable to their stockholders, or governments, or whatever, but they aren't, they are accountable to all of us. It's my (and your) friggin' planet as much as it is some capitalist pig executive's or some capitalist pig shareholder's, and if they mess it up, they are accountable to us, regardless of whether we hold that as any kind of "legal" right (we don't, of course) under such inadequate laws as concern that sort of thing.


To be totally consistent you should oppose private ownership of land or any other natural resource. No one should pick an apple off a tree unless he gets the permission of the rest of the human race.

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09 May 2010, 4:13 pm

DaWalker wrote:
What's worse is the fact that they are being given the green flag to continue polluting all they want while they figure out how to get their oil, regardless of any consequences obviously.

I do believe this whole thing will be played off as Obama's Katrina,
when it should really be played as Obama's 911.

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10 May 2010, 3:29 am

I am Sooooooo Glad I don't watch TV anymore.
I can only imagine the Fox Alerts on this one. :lol:



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13 May 2010, 10:43 pm

DaWalker wrote:
Wonder how long before they are forced to plug it / and why not yet?
It was plugged, just before it blew, Halliburton poured the concrete. Rumor has it that BP drilled down 22,000 feet, but their lease was for 18-20,000 feet and they didn't tell the Halliburton crew about the extra depth so the plug was too small for the added pressure. The well had riser pipes down to the sea-floor and the well proper was inside the riser pipes; the space between the inside of the riser and the well pipe is filled with drilling mud which keeps the pressure balanced. They were pumping the mud out and filling the riser with seawater. When the mud was out they were going to take it apart and move the drilling rig and replace it with a production rig; but it blew-out while they were pumping out the mud.


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