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mechanicalgirl39
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07 Jul 2010, 12:52 pm

http://www.care2.com/news/member/901922468/1702641

Sakineh Mohammadie Ashtiani, 42, has been sentenced to death by stoning for adultery.


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07 Jul 2010, 4:52 pm

i signed, for whatever good it'll do. such bass-ackwardness.



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07 Jul 2010, 5:23 pm

Singed as well. So pathetic and sad. :roll: :(



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07 Jul 2010, 5:26 pm

"Round 'em up, put 'em in a field..."


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07 Jul 2010, 6:18 pm

I do think that the death sentence in this case needs to be reviewed as there are ample grounds for appeal even within their own legal system. That said, the article that you posted is very incomplete and doesn't give an accurate picture of the situation.



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08 Jul 2010, 6:57 am

I signed it,



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08 Jul 2010, 7:19 am

I didn't. The form of the death sentence is different but the basic idea is the same. The question is whether the judicial system is fair. So far, I've see no one comment on the crime, the judicial process, or how it compares to similar situations (murder, her two lovers were convicted of murdering her husband).

There are several issues here, all mixed up in one emo post.

(And yes, I realise that this is a deeply unpopular view in America. Happily, I have Aspergers so that really doesn't bother me. Woot!)



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08 Jul 2010, 8:04 am

I just signed the petition, I don't know if it will do anything.

Here's a more in depth news about the woman who is about to be stoned in Iran for adultery. Surprisingly stoning is not a common occurrence in Iran.

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/ir ... 5886460389


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08 Jul 2010, 8:16 am

you gotta be kidding me, that poor women i sign the book. how long was she there for.



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08 Jul 2010, 8:27 am

MissConstrue wrote:
Surprisingly stoning is not a common occurrence in Iran.


No offense but you have to keep in mind what the dominant religion of the region is and what other religions and archaic practices are associated with them.


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08 Jul 2010, 9:07 am

Here's another petition that may be effective.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/appeals-for-a ... oning-iran


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08 Jul 2010, 9:24 am

I don't know if i have the energy to fight this sort of badly reasoned, emo argument but here are my worries:

1. America and Iran both use the Death penalty. This raises two questions (1) is the death penalty ever warranted (if not, you might consider the justice of cases closer to home); (2) what are morally acceptable methods for death (stoning is worrying here, but then so are many of the methods used in America).

2. Is the justice system within which this case was tried at least internally consistent; and is it morally tenable (snag a philosopher here, they're cheap).

3. Was this particular trial fair? (Possibly not, even using local criteria, two judges opposed).

So, let's sign x number of petitions that don't deal with any basic issues. Oh and throw in some provocative pictures of corpses.

America uses controversial methods of execution too. American corpses look just as bad. And American trials are just as unfair.

I'm not suggesting that this case be ignored; I'm just suggesting that it not be treated as a poorly presented moral palliative to avoid problems closer to home.

Someone give me a real argument here, rather than posting a half dozen new petitions that mean squat. There are any number of worthy cases in America, why pick this one beyond that it's newsworthy? And what exactly IS the injustice here?



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08 Jul 2010, 9:56 am

I actually have signed a petition regarding the death penalty in America. Sadly there are states that still practice it and yes it doesn't seem to get as much publicity imo.


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08 Jul 2010, 3:38 pm

Wuffles wrote:
what exactly IS the injustice here?


“If the law supposes that,” said Mr. Bumble,… “the law is a ass—a idiot. If that’s the eye of the law, the law is a bachelor; and the worst I wish the law is that his eye may be opened by experience—by experience.” [Dickens- Oliver Twist]

the cruelty and malice aforethought is injustice. dogmatically blind legalism is an injustice. mankind's inhumanity is an injustice. refusing to entertain the possibility that unnecessary suffering is in the offing, is an injustice. denying the fact that bashing some poor bastard's brains out [in the name of a morally atavistic "justice"] is injustice, is itself an injustice. being a smug cheerleader for the status-quo of yet more unnecessary suffering in the world, is the prime injustice.
i hope you wouldn't want your own mother or child to be stoned to death, for any reason. the woman to be bludgeoned to death IS somebody's daughter, somebody's mother. what would you say to her parents, and to her children? "oh sorry, heh, but she had to go- you know the deal- the law's the law- that's just the way it is."
un-friggin' believeable :roll:



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08 Jul 2010, 7:26 pm

I'm disturbed by the fact that stoning someone to death can be classified as justice. It's barbaric and sick.

I signed the petition, by the way. This poor woman and her family have already suffered enough. She doesn't deserve to die in such a horrific way.


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09 Jul 2010, 7:35 am

Whut, trying to have a thoughtful nuanced discussion wuffles?

This petition is basically about spreading "awareness" (read: fear) of teh evil brown people and how we should keep bombing them.

Mission accomplished.