Teen killed by dad was carrying his baby

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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crim ... first.html

i wish the article title was a bit different most likely this child was raped. and incest and raped used to mean something different.

But the article says she WAS raped, the incest charge is just added in there because it was another law he broke and they want to charge him with as much as possible so he can get a longer sentence. Plus, he DID commit incest. The only definition of incest is sexual relations between family members (in different states/countries the definition of family could change- meaning having sex with your 1st cousin, for example, might be a no-no one place, while somewhere else it is fine. Sex between immediate family is illegal where incest is defined as illegal. And this is the case). The label "incest" does NOT have to mean it was consensual on either part (which in this case it was CLEARLY not on her part, being 14 and having been raped)

Maybe they changed their wording since you 1st read it?

Anyway, this is just HORRIBLE. I hope he gets locked away forever or worse.

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He will not last long in prison in the general population.

he must be a psychopath, what a sick man

If incest can also be rape, then why when a woman is raped by a stranger its not also referred to as "rape in addition to "sexual relations" "? I am also in agreement that rape of any kind should never be referred to as "sexual relations" i.e. incest. Its either one or the other.

My reasonings for this are:

1. Not very long ago, a child who was raped by a family member could also be charged with incest and punished alongside the perpetrator. This is still true in some countries today.

2. There were several cases not even twenty years ago where if a man sexually abused or raped a child in his family, his charge would be incest, NOT rape. The punishment was in many cases community service or a fine.

3. In order to prevent confusion in the law (and society), and to prevent perpetrators from having the option of plea-bargaining to the lesser charge of incest when it was in fact rape, we must strike the incest label off of any activity in which one party was forced to participate, and make such terminology forbidden in the courtroom of such cases.

For example, if the party's are consensual then it is incest, if not, then it is not incest but rape. Not *also* incest, or incest rather than rape. We need to take a long hard look at the vocabulary we use to describe situations in our society and categorize them accordingly.

This is also the argument brought up by many who experienced school "bullying". The term "bullying" is useless in a society where children are to be accorded the same human rights and protection from harm as adults. Call it what it is - harassment, assault, distraction etc. But for God's sake lets stop playing mental games with each other by using words that distract us from what it is we were trying to communicate in the first place.

The mental imagery and feelings associated with "incest" rather than "rape", and "bullying" rather than "assault" should be taken into account, as the prior is not necessarily a crime against a human being, while the latter definitely is. Why does society still defend its right to claim something is *also* the lesser of two describers - of one event, which needs only one description?

That so-called father is a very sick man.

I'd like to introduce a new TV series where if you are convicted of a heinous crime, rather than put in prison you are placed in a room of no more than 5 of the victims family members. And they have bats. And we videotape it.