Hungary toxic sludge death toll reaches 7

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08 Oct 2010, 3:31 pm

Hungary toxic sludge death toll reaches 7

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Devecser, Hungary (CNN) -- The death toll from a toxic sludge spill in Hungary rose to seven Friday after an additional body was found, according to a spokeswoman for Hungary's emergency services department.
The deadly red sludge came from an aluminum plant reservoir that burst Monday, inundating three villages, the official news agency MTI reported.
Water test results made public earlier in the day, however, indicated that the sludge may not harm the Danube River -- news eagerly embraced by leaders from neighboring countries.....


This could very well earn its place next to Bhopal and Chernobyl as a bench mark among man-made disasters.


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08 Oct 2010, 4:16 pm

Red Danube topic

What a mess. :evil:


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08 Oct 2010, 4:49 pm

richie wrote:

This could very well earn its place next to Bhopal and Chernobyl as a bench mark among man-made disasters.


In Bhopal, tens of thousands died. In Hungary seven so far. You have a strange sense of proportion.

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08 Oct 2010, 10:36 pm

It is dirt, AluminSicalicate. The most common form of dirt. It was already processed for metal extraction, so mostly Silica, sand. It comes from a highly weathered Laterlite soil, the red is from Iron Oxides, rust.

The Halls Cell process does use Caustic Soda, under a cap of molten salts, to extract the metal. The Ph can be a problem, but I do not see any dead fish. As for direct contact, the stuff is mixed with Draino. The main danger is being hit by a wave of thick mud which is what killed seven.

Sprinkle with Gypson, washing soda, clean up with a fire hose.

Now as for letting this be built above your town, without a spillway, any defenses, local politics.



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09 Oct 2010, 12:22 pm

ruveyn wrote:
richie wrote:

This could very well earn its place next to Bhopal and Chernobyl as a bench mark among man-made disasters.


In Bhopal, tens of thousands died. In Hungary seven so far. You have a strange sense of proportion.

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It is as much about carelessness causing massive damage to the environment, livelihoods and the overall quality of life in the region as it is about immediate casualties.


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09 Oct 2010, 8:43 pm

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It is dirt, AluminSicalicate. The most common form of dirt. It was already processed for metal extraction, so mostly Silica, sand. It comes from a highly weathered Laterlite soil, the red is from Iron Oxides, rust.

The Halls Cell process does use Caustic Soda, under a cap of molten salts, to extract the metal. The Ph can be a problem, but I do not see any dead fish. As for direct contact, the stuff is mixed with Draino. The main danger is being hit by a wave of thick mud which is what killed seven.

Sprinkle with Gypson, washing soda, clean up with a fire hose.

Now as for letting this be built above your town, without a spillway, any defenses, local politics.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11506713

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All life in the Marcal river, which feeds the Danube, is said to have been extinguished.

Around 150 people were injured by the spill of up to 700,000 cubic metres (24.7m cu ft) of red toxic sludge - many receiving burns.

Emergency crews have been working to dilute the alkaline content of the spill, adding huge quantities of gypsum and chemical fertilisers to the waters of the Marcal and Raba rivers.

The people of polluted Kolontar have been left homeless.

Warm sunshine is forecast for the next days, helping the relief effort but adding yet another danger. As the red mud dries, it turns to dust, laced with heavy metals and a mild radioactive content. That is blown by the wind, increasing the polluted area and threatening the health of everyone. Emergency officials are insisting that everyone wear face masks at all times.

It is rather more toxic than just dirt! The ph in the Marcal was around 13. 'Sprinkle' 40km2 with gypsum, and clean-up with a fire-hose?

This picture of the reservoir is an odd one. There is a distinct lack of vegetation on one side of the corner which collapsed, compared to the other side.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11497499



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10 Oct 2010, 1:01 am

Dirt is some nasty stuff, it is radioactive, contains metals, and most things in it cause health problems. The main one is everyone exposed dies within a hundred years.

So why were they keeping it? From the looks and description, untreated, very caustic, just working it's way into the ground water, blowing across the land, in a watershed, with no plan of disposal.

I read another article that said all life in the Marcal had been extinguished a while ago, and it was just the effuent drain for the holding pond. Enough Gypsum and the Ph will be down by the time it reaches the Danube, but this is not a good practice, They killed a river to get an industry?

We do the same with the ash from coal burning plants, and that stuff is loaded with things best left buried.

People should not live downhill from holding ponds, waste materials should not be allowed to just build up, but it seems the chosen pattern. Others live beneath the volcano, in valleys subhect to flash flood, or like myself, below sea level on the Hurricane Highway. We lost 1570 when our levee broke, still here.

The only thing that can be done is cleanup, keep it wet, and wash it away down stream. They have some building to do before they can use the pond again, it is all leaking, years of cleanup have happened at once. They should move, should not have been there, but local politics and money do strange things.

Europe is not as Green as I thought. Things like this get located in the back yard of poor people, dead economy, for jobs, and they want the jobs.



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10 Oct 2010, 1:47 am

Inventor wrote:

Europe is not as Green as I thought. Things like this get located in the back yard of poor people, dead economy, for jobs, and they want the jobs.


Hungary until fairly recently was in the Soviet Block. Soviet Block countries were notorious for their highly polluting industrial practices. Hungary was Red long before it pretended to be Green.

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10 Oct 2010, 2:18 am

At first, I thought this said "HUNGRY toxic sludge death toll reaches 7"

funny what a huge difference that one "a" makes! :lmao: