H1N1 flu pandemic a hoax to benefit drug companies

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basicly the extimate amount that could be infected and confirmed cases of H1N1 were grouped together as confirmed cases by the WHO basicly manipulating data so drug companies could make a killin' Mass. residents could face prison time for refusing the vaccine.

I have to admit that I fell for it, even though my doc said that it was not a big deal. The vaccine made me sick for a few days. mostly fever and body aches

It can be difficult to confirm cases after the fact. Most people have never had a particularly bad strain of the flu, but I have. I had some strain of influenza a while back and couldn't bother to drag myself out of bed with a fever of 104F just to go infect everyone at the doctors and be told it was the flu. It took me two months to fully recover because I relapsed.

I have since opted for the flu shot. Epidemics can only be determined while they are happening, or in hindsight. It's better to be proactive and preemptive.

^ *Chronos, good point. Still in our modern world the influenza can be, in a small number of cases, a killer. The dilemma is that the flu is pandemic and contagious; hence the flu vaccine. H1N1 is a particularly nasty strain and why there is concern. Granted, most just experience the usual transient symptoms and are perfectly OK. One may not need a flu shot.

But do consider the cost, in terms of loss of production, etc., from influenza, esp. H1N1 - that's why flu shots are a consideration.

* About what Chronos wrote: Yes. Right now I am sick. I came down with the flu (H1N1) 4 weeks ago and was hit hard. It literally incapacitated me for days and I suffered, then a slow recovery. I felt really poorly, beyond the "normal" flu experience. High fever, cough....really sick.

Then, I felt better (finally) but on Tuesday (14th) I am now sick again - same thing. Except now I likely have pneumonia. Just this afternoon (in 1 hr) I have a GP appt. and NEED antibiotics. The flu can progress into a secondary infection (e.g. pneumonia) and why it's bad. Apart from that, when I was little I would have horrific flu symptoms - way beyond a "normal" flu/sick-kid experience.

So, although flu shots may not be necessary in many cases, it exists for a reason.

Well, I never got the H1N1 shot, and I never got sick, because I did something very simple: I washed my hands. I don't have vaccines for every disease there is! Everyone is so afraid of germs in this country, and people wash their hands three times a day, and then wonder why they get sick. My immune system gets lots of practice. If food falls on the floor, I pick it up and I eat it! Same with animals in the jungle, they eat "dirty" food, and they have been around for a while too. My body knows how to spot a faker. Most people's bodies don't learn how. I rarely ever get sick...hmmmmm...

Swine flu was as much of a hoax as e-coli and bird flu and anthrax and SARS and any other germ that is paraded through the airwaves. Yeah, the germs are out there...but so is AIDS. People aren't as scared of AIDS anymore, because they are used to it. Yet AIDS kills more people than all those others I named put together times 10. I haven't done the math...but I'm fairly certain the formula works. The goal is to cause mass hysteria, not to be factually correct. It's so easy to scare people in the home of the brave...hahaha. It's like taking candy from an aborted baby.

Actually, as someone with OCD, I wash my hands quite frequently. Not excessively so anymore, but certainly more than most people. Influenza can be contracted through airborne particles, which is likely how I contracted it.

Eating food off the ground won't strengthen your immune system against influenza. GI things perhaps (if you don't get severely ill and die from doing it first), but not influenza.

I'm still glad I got the vaccine, the thing was actually spreading in my area. Besides, it was all on the NHS anyway, so it's not like I was out of pocket.

I'm going to put on my doctor hat for this one.

Certainly hand washing is an important component to minimizing the spread of disease. But it does not stop you from getting sick if you are infected through some other vector. The influenza viruses are pretty hardy, and survive well in air. That means that you can contract them through inhalation or ingestion.

Meanwhile, your hand washing is doing nothing to protect you from pathogens to which you are exposed by eating food picked up off the floor. So which is it, do you claim to be illness free because you take hygiene steps to protect yourself (washing hands), or because you put yourself in harm's way (eating food dropped on the floor)?



Hate to burst your bubble, but your numbers are well out of context. In North American, Western and Central Europe, East Asia and Oceania, Influenza is responsible for more deaths annually than HIV. It is only when you add sub-Saharan Africa into the mix that the numbers start to skew.

I will grant you that in 2007, 2.1M people, globally, died from AIDS related illness (AIDS never kills a patient directly, it is the opportunistic infections that do). However, in North America, the figure was around 21,000. In Western and Central Europe the figure was around 12,000. (Source: UNAIDS)

Compare with influenza. On average, over 40,000 people have died annually since 1979 in the United States. (Source: The American Journal of Epidemiology 163(2) 181.) Globally deaths are probably only in the 250,000 to 500,000 range in a typical year but rise to millions in a pandemic year.

Flu is much easier to catch than HIV. And while AIDS is, in theory, 100% lethal, in fact its 10 year survival rate in developed countries is growing by leaps and bounds, whereas some strains of influenza, like H5N1 have lethality rates well over 50% (more than half the people infected with H5N1 die) within weeks of infection.

My mom works as a pharmacist in a hospital and she has seen people die of this pandemic, BTW she also hates the drug companies scams as well so I would believe that this was a real disease and not some hoax.