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22 Jul 2006, 1:15 am

Israel is going to lose the war even worse than America has already lost "the war on terror".

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22 Jul 2006, 2:11 am

If you mean that their current actions will not end terror. Then yes your right.
If you mean they will get boged down in a "no-win" war in Lebanon. I say no.
The difference is the Isrealies think their fighting for their lives. The US is just fighting for an idea. Im guessing they will fight for a short time then the UN will
come in with peaces keeping troops .A pow swap. International aid to help
Lebanon.



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22 Jul 2006, 9:38 am

I really hope you're right. The big difference between this and any other terrorism-related war is that now the bad guys have missiles and aren't afraid to use them. And for that matter, how they were able to transport 10,000 missiles from wherever to Lebanon in the first place with Israel, the Saudis and the US all right next door still perplexes me- missiles are big, heavy dangerous things that show up on satellites.

The other difference is that I am sure there's some kind of free-spirited terrorist movement in the middle east where the bad guys are going from one country to the next (Afganistan then Iraq then Lebanon then ??) and they're running out of places to go to, this might be their time to stand up and fight... they can't exactly pick up and run when they have hundreds of tons or weaponry and heck, they're right next door to "public enemy #1" already, why would they move further away?

And it's really troubling that these countries all agree that they want Israel wiped off the map.

I think the terrorism strategy is very simple: get them (us, the good guys) to invade so you can draw it out for years. The longer the war goes on, the more unstable that country will become. The more soldiers die, the more that country will want to get out. The longer the war goes on, the poorer that country will be. Eventually the enemy (us, Israel) will collapse if not internally from military spending, then from a weakened military position. And Israel is walking right into it.



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22 Jul 2006, 10:04 am

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22 Jul 2006, 12:00 pm

This stuff is interesting, what is happening lately that is.

America never came close to losing the war on terrror. To make it appear as so, is only stratigic to gain support of it.



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22 Jul 2006, 12:16 pm

>>America never came close to losing the war on terrror. To make it appear as so, is only stratigic to gain support of it.<<

Since 2002, America has spent over four TRILLION DOLLARS to fight terror and we haven't beaten it. This is a third of our GNP... this is more money than most countries have... and we still have terrorism in the middle east which is in fact worse now than it ever was.



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22 Jul 2006, 12:22 pm

If you see what the terrorist would like to do, they have not achieved it have they. Two trillion dollars is a drop in the bucket and is really part of the general national security anyways.

Much of the war on terror has to do with politics, politics take time to influence and achieve goals. Such as influencing the governments of other nations to separate them from terrorism and or influence policies which reject such radical and distructive idiopathologies.

Terrorism is like a cancer or A.I.D's, but terrorism there is no cure for. Terrorism cannot really come close to destroying the entire organism of our nation however, unlike cancer or AIDS.



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22 Jul 2006, 12:43 pm

Well really the cure for terrorism is prosperity.



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22 Jul 2006, 1:13 pm

If I understand biblical prophecy correctly, Israel will lose the war. That must be where the 144,000 come from who survive.



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22 Jul 2006, 1:58 pm

>>If you see what the terrorist would like to do, they have not achieved it have they.<<

All the terrorists want is to keep fighting. Since they are still fighting YEARS LATER, I'd say they achieved whatever goals they set out to do.

>>Two trillion dollars is a drop in the bucket and is really part of the general national security anyways.<<

The GNP of America is 11.5 trillion dollars. In other words, if you could put a price tag on "America", the price would be 11.5 trillion. Do you really think that a third of the value of America is a drop in the bucket?

>>Much of the war on terror has to do with politics, politics take time to influence and achieve goals. Such as influencing the governments of other nations to separate them from terrorism and or influence policies which reject such radical and distructive idiopathologies.<<

Agreed.

>>Terrorism is like a cancer or A.I.D's, but terrorism there is no cure for.<<

Agreed.

>>Terrorism cannot really come close to destroying the entire organism of our nation however, unlike cancer or AIDS.<<

Ugh.



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22 Jul 2006, 3:38 pm

I don't think so. Israel may be small, but if you examine their history, they've actually won battles that they were even outnumbered in. As a Christian, I believe that the Jews (or Israel) are God's chosen people, as it says in the Bible. Eventhough Israel has experience some really tough times in their history as a people, it shows that they always end up getting back on their feet again.


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22 Jul 2006, 4:48 pm

Really America is worth far more then X trillions of dollars. There is no price tag, yet special interest catering politicians who sell out on freedoms would make that an incorrect statement.

1,2,3,4,5 or more trillion a year is still definitely a drop in the bucket because there is no price tag on freedom. Yes it is allot, but national security even prior to 9/11 was high, any comparative price tags of the cost of national security before and after 9/11? I believe in micro-effecency, yet in emergencies there is no efficiency worth while when a life or lives are at risk.

Terrorist want to destroy America, that would never happen do to the size of it, unless something so drastic happened, still yet the spirit of freedom beyond the oppression of a terrorist leadership ideology would be destroyed eventually.

The odds of terrorist really winning aside from the unfortunate cost of defending against them is so low, it's nearly a joke. Yet not take them seriously in what can happen would be ignorance.

The unfortunate cost of freedom is unfortunate.

Yet if it only cost $5 to run the country, America would be worth more then that $5 of course. Just commenting towards the price tag of America logic presented.



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22 Jul 2006, 4:55 pm

sc wrote:
If you see what the terrorist would like to do, they have not achieved it have they.


What terrorists would like to do is to terrorise the people of a nation by creating fear.
Fear for new terror attacks.

I say they have achieved it.



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22 Jul 2006, 4:57 pm

Sometimes fear is used to justify war, sometimes not.

Yes 9/11 happened, but really when it comes down to it, even nukes in the country do not worry me specifically. The odds of a nuke going off and effecting one specific person compared to the rest are still low.

Thats why the big national security budget. I have no fear of terrorist. They have mouths that speak words, big talkers really and they are mostly insane.

9/11 was one building out of how many others and most of the cost was hypochondrias socio-economically.



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22 Jul 2006, 5:02 pm

Quote:
they are mostly insane


As are most people who have nothing left to loose



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22 Jul 2006, 5:11 pm

I'd tend to agree.