Federal Government refusing to enforce country's borders

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An Arizona sheriff says he has been flooded with calls and emails of support from local and federal agents who back his claims that the U.S. Border Patrol has effectively ordered them to stop apprehending illegal immigrants crossing the U.S.-Mexican border.

“Upper management has advised supervisors to have agents ‘turn back South’ (TBS) the illegal aliens (aka bodies) they detect attempting to unlawfully enter the country … at times you even hear supervisors order the agents over the radio to 'TBS' the aliens instead of catching them,” one San Diego border agent wrote in an email to Cochise County Sheriff Larry Dever.

“This only causes more problems as the aliens, as you know, don't just go back to Mexico and give up. They keep trying, sometimes without 10 minutes in-between attempts, to cross illegally,” continued the email, which was among a number of communications to Dever reviewed by FoxNews.com. “This makes the job for agents more dangerous. Not only are the aliens more defiant, they also begin to feel like they can get away with breaking our federal laws.”

The email is one of more than 100 messages Dever said he received from active and retired Border Patrol agents and law enforcement officers from across the country. Many wrote of what they said was their own experience and first-hand knowledge of Border Patrol’s efforts to reduce apprehension numbers by making fewer arrests.

FoxNews.com first reported this month that Dever said several Border Patrol officials, including at least one senior supervisor, told him they had been directed to keep the number of border apprehensions down by chasing illegal immigrants back toward Mexico. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano has recently cited a reduction in border apprehensions as evidence of an increasingly secure border.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/04/19/ar ... on-policy/

Seriously, a country that will not enforce its borders will soon cease to be a country.

Apparently, what you just said is inspired by Voltaire. <.< That the land belongs to one who is able to defend it. Although there is truth in that, i refuse to let it be the sole legitimazing force behind a state's sovereignty.

I hate to be a rabble-rouser, but if they kicked all the illegal immigrants out of here, the restaurant industry would collapse, along with Wal-Mart and McDonalds. That's a lot of stores closing up shop. Who do you think cooks all your food in a restaurant? It's usually an illegal immigrant named Jose. There is a reason most executive chefs have clean white aprons.

Not only that, but without the extremely poor, you wouldn't have the extremely rich. You have to have one extreme to balance out the other. And guess who gets to make all the really important decisions? Although the middle class likes to think they run things, they don't. Deep down, we all know this, but we refuse to admit it to ourselves.

Didn't you post this already, or something like it? If not, my mistake. Anyways

Step 1: NAFTA (I prefer to refer to it as NAETA- North American Enforced Trade Agreement)
Step 2: Stop enforcing borders
Step 3: North American Union- goodbye Canada, US & Mexico, hello BS extreme right-wing masquerading as socialist/free market meta-politics
Step 4: Vigilans emigrates to New Zealand or goes and lives off in the wilderness hunting wild boars with a machete

my own step 4 would involve me most likely pulling off a Guy Fawkes or a lelouche.......

And yet again rhetoric serves not only to misrepresent the facts, but to disregard the underlying public policy argument.

First of all, an order to "TBS" is, in fact, an enforcement of your country's borders. Whether it is the form of enforcement that you might choose, or the public servants in question might choose is an entirely separate question.

Secondly, what is the impact of arrest and detention? Three results are possible: ongoing detention (at the expense of the state), release pending administrative action, or refoulement. In the first case, the financial burden lies with the government. In the second case, the person is free to enter the undocumented labour market (which was likely the person's intention in the first place) and in the third case the person is free to attempt to reenter the country in a fashion no different than the previous attempt (after a procedure undertaken at the government's expense).

Where is the value, then, in doing anything more aggressive than TBS? The enforcement of public law is not an exercise intended to make officers feel good--it's an exercise to achieve a public policy goal. If the goal is to keep foreigners out, then TBS is a cheap and effective way to do so.

Unemployment is so high that alien invaders pose a bigger burden than ever and are taking up jobs desperately needed by Americas. The myth that Mexicans and other alien invaders do the jobs tat Americans won't is dead! And there are lots poor Americans- they lost everything due to Obama and Barney Frank and they will most likely be poor or at least not nearly as well off as they once were for a very long time. So not only do we not need alien invaders, we need to get rid of them more than ever!

I don't want to be anybody's hero. I just wish to live in peace, and hunt wild boars in the deep woods with nothing more than my wits and a machete, and not have to care about my nation crumbling from greed and elitism

I'd like something similar to that too, but eventually some group will have a problem with you living in peace and minding your own business because it somehow doesn't fit into their agenda. Sooner or later you would either have to submit or fight. My interest in politics is all about getting left alone and taking measures to avoid resorting tho hostilities to do so. Otherwise, I hate politics.

When it comes to that point, I'll have my machete ready. I also have a hunting bow. I doubt I'll last long against mechanized infantry, tank brigades and ground attack aircraft, but I'll achieve immortality in the process- assuming the media doesn't paint me as a domestic terrorist, or nobody notices
I really hate politics. Its simply the exchange of power as currency, and is inherently dishonest. The idea of a North American Union is very distasteful to me. What are your thoughts on such a concept? Also I'm interested in what Inuyasha thinks about that

Today my wife told me McDonalds is doing some massive hiring so it can become a 24-hour operation ...

Maybe that will help?!

It's a start. For people that are either running low or are out of unemployment, it's a relief for them for now. Making a bunch of minimum wage jobs isn't going to magically fix the economy but it stimulates the economy better than huge lines at the unemployment office. If the minimum wage jobs hold up, that will stimulate a little but of economic growth and increase the chances of there someday being better jobs available.

Today Mcdonalds was hiring 50,000 workers. I went by one today and there a lot people showed up, most were Hispanic.

The dention centers are full, so are the Courts, County sheriffs hold prisoners for profit.

Follow the money, who wants more people locked up? Private Prisons?

Not letting some people cross at check points happens, next level is patrolling the border, so that is blocked.

Most illegals have overstayed legal entry. In most places entry can be for shopping for the day. Visiting family. Mostly they go back to Mexico. Fifteen miles back from the border is another check point. This is where people are turned back. Too far in for day shoppers, and others without any entry papers.

Cartels running drugs often herded illegal workers before them, which the Border Patrol picked up, drove to detention, and the path was open. Turning them back leaves the Border Patrol protecting the border.

Concentrating on constant protection with limited man power, turning back the little fish and being there for the big ones.

The six foot six Arab on a camel with an AK-47 will be arrested, the same for drug shipments. Mexicans look like Mexicans, speak like Mexicans, but some people trying to cross are not Mexican. Europeans wanted by Interpol, Middle Eastern, Chinese networks, are worth a deeper look.

We used to have a better program for Mexicans, Braceros, seasonal workers, documented, mostly farm labor. Stopping that over some prior high unemployment, caused the demise of border farming, higher food prices, and created illegal workers.

Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and California were part of Mexico till 1845-7.
Most of the population sided with the Americans, having a long dislike for Mexico City rule. Many more came in the days of Pancho Villa, fleeing bloodshed.

We are neighbors, and could be better neighbors.

Most Mexicans are good people, workers, make good friends.

Our border problems come from smaller groups who are not good people.

Any cop knows that a thousand jaywalkers are not worth one armed robber.

Focus on the big dangers, keep constant watch.

Do not believe press releases from someone making so much a day for keeping prisoners in tents. Real prisoners will be in Federal Detention.

There is only so much manpower, detention space, and money, use it wisely.

Well if the EU is the model for what merging countries looks like, then HELL NO! Mexico has expressed interest in a North American union, but merging with them would be like accepting a liver transplant from a donor that died of ebola. The Mexican politicians just want someone else to take responsibility for and dump money into the internal problems they have caused for generations, then dump the blame on Americans and Canadians when it becomes evident their situation is hopeless. Mexican politicians also see it as the perfect way to unload their unemployed peasants and criminals to go be someone else's problem. Their street gangs and cartels would run free across the country and bring a level of firepower not normally available at an American gun store with them (most of their guns come from central America or defecting police and soldiers). In whatever congress or parliament is set up for North America, Mexico can be expected to demand huge concessions and offer nothing in return.

The US and Canada are culturally similar enough to work together on a day-to-day basis, but making a political system that is compatible between the two countries would be a problem.
How much of the budget gets placed into healthcare and social services?
How much goes into defense?
How do we handle the dirtier jobs in the war on terror?
What would the tax rate be?
How would drug laws be handled?
How would gay marriage be addressed?
Do we give the UN any influence in domestic policy or participate in the world court? That would not go over well in the US.
Do we have free speech or hate speech laws regulated by a tribunal?
What would gun laws be like? Our constitution bans any treaty that infringes on these last two.
How much do we back Israel?
How do we handle Iran?
Would the British Crown still have any influence in this new system? That would never fly in the US.
How would we handle environmental policy? There is a pretty big rift between a lot of Americans and Canadians.
Would Canada have to tighten it's immigration laws?
How is political power divided and balanced in the new system?

If they are US citizens then that is fine.