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This is one of those bills which will change the course of american history as we know it...and not in a good way either. Basicly, it calls for and endless war, and martial law in the US upon whom the goverment decides are terrorists, even if they really are not. This bill makes the patriot act smell like roses, and the patriot act created a suvielance society and goverment sponsored stalking of innocent citizens.
If my sister and brother were not so dense, I would flee the country by now as many people have already, but I have to stick around because they are nieve', but I love them anyway...which why I am not taking the first flight out of the country.

I forgot to post the source...here it is.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/05/16/a ... thout-end/

ACLU: National Defense Authorization Act permits ‘worldwide war without end’
By Eric W. Dolan
Monday, May 16th, 2011 -- 8:57 pm
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A little noticed provision in the House Armed Services Committee's National Defense Authorization Act would authorize the United States to use military force anywhere there are terrorism suspects, including within the U.S. itself, according to the American Civil Liberties Union.
Section 1034 was added to the bill [PDF] by the committee's chairman, Rep. Buck McKeon (R-CA).
"Congress may soon vote on a new declaration of worldwide war without end, and without clear enemies," the ACLU warned in a statement. "A 'sleeper provision' deep inside defense bills pending before Congress could become the single biggest hand-over of unchecked war authority from Congress to the executive branch in modern American history."
The only opposition to the provision has come from Rep. John Garamendi (D-CA), who offered an amendment to strike Section 1034 while the House Armed Services Committee was reviewing the bill. The committee passed the National Defense Authorization Act by a 60 to 1 vote -- without the proposed amendment -- with Garamendi as the sole dissenter.
Garamendi said he plans to introduce the amendment again on the House floor, where debate on the bill will begin the week of May 23.
"President Obama has not sought new war authority," the ACLU said. "In fact, his administration has made clear that it believes it already has all of the authority that it needs to fight terrorism."
"But Congress is considering monumental new legislation that would grant the president – and all presidents after him – sweeping new power to make war almost anywhere and everywhere."
Garamendi said the National Defense Authorization Act also extends the war in Afghanistan, delays the repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, and furthers billions of dollars in wasteful Pentagon spending.
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ACLU: National Defense Authorization Act permits ‘worldwide war without end’
By Eric W. Dolan
Monday, May 16th, 2011 -- 8:57 pm
43Share

A little noticed provision in the House Armed Services Committee's National Defense Authorization Act would authorize the United States to use military force anywhere there are terrorism suspects, including within the U.S. itself, according to the American Civil Liberties Union.
Section 1034 was added to the bill [PDF] by the committee's chairman, Rep. Buck McKeon (R-CA).
"Congress may soon vote on a new declaration of worldwide war without end, and without clear enemies," the ACLU warned in a statement. "A 'sleeper provision' deep inside defense bills pending before Congress could become the single biggest hand-over of unchecked war authority from Congress to the executive branch in modern American history."
The only opposition to the provision has come from Rep. John Garamendi (D-CA), who offered an amendment to strike Section 1034 while the House Armed Services Committee was reviewing the bill. The committee passed the National Defense Authorization Act by a 60 to 1 vote -- without the proposed amendment -- with Garamendi as the sole dissenter.
Garamendi said he plans to introduce the amendment again on the House floor, where debate on the bill will begin the week of May 23.
"President Obama has not sought new war authority," the ACLU said. "In fact, his administration has made clear that it believes it already has all of the authority that it needs to fight terrorism."
"But Congress is considering monumental new legislation that would grant the president – and all presidents after him – sweeping new power to make war almost anywhere and everywhere."
Garamendi said the National Defense Authorization Act also extends the war in Afghanistan, delays the repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, and furthers billions of dollars in wasteful Pentagon spending.
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This is probably why they are calling for severe cuts, so they can spend it in defense and the black budget

This is how liberty and democracy dies - not from enemies from without - but from enemies from within, claiming they are only defending free government.
I can only hope that most of our legislators can see just how insane such a bill is.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

I hate to say it but, 1984 anyone?

We are always at war with East Asia.

ruveyn

we are???

Reference to George Orwell's dystopian novel, 1984. In case you actually got the reference, I apologize - as I have Asperger's, it's sometimes difficult for me to understand if someone is being serious or not.
Though the year 1984 is now in the past, 1984 is always a possible future.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

This has got to be the biggest load of crap I've heard in a long time. Allowing martial law in any place where "terrorists" are located, even when the person/people in question are not actual terrorists? Endless war with any country the president chooses, even without legitimate reason? You have to understand that the PATRIOT Act (and several other laws on the books, if I'm not mistaken) has expanded the definition of "terrorist" to the point where even those who defend our Constitution (such as myself, for example) can be considered such. The Founders did not write our Constitution with confidence, they wrote it in fear that America would become a totalitarian, facist police state because they had come from places where, back in their time, people were jailed and even executed for defending their rights.

The Founding Fathers warned us about things like this, did they not?

read 1984

What's the black budget?

Oceania, here we Canadians come as well.

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength

The black budget is secret accounts for classified operations. Various agencies may have things like $200 hammers and toilet seats and $75 screws and cans of bug spray listed in their accounting records but the vast majority of that money has been laundered into secret accounts with a secret set of accounting records. Sometimes congress earmarks money for classified accounts in annual spending bills as well.

I'd make a constitutional argument against this, that the Constitution grants to Congress, and not the Executive, the authority to declare war. Congress declaring permanent war on everyone chosen by the Executive amounts to an abdication of that responsibility. If the line-item veto failed in the Supreme Court on similar Constitutional grounds, so should this.

True, also giving the military a free hand to operate inside the US is unconstitutional too. The most baffling part of all this is why are REPUBLICANS seeking to give all this new power to OBAMA???

They know a Democrat wouldn't exercise it, but a Republican would, obviously.