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26 May 2011, 5:27 pm

His arrest

What he allegedly did

What the ones affected feel

Warning: Disturbing Video

I know I am supposed to be on leave, but this is a rather important event on CNN...as it should be...


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26 May 2011, 5:33 pm

hah! You can't tear yourself away, eh? :lol:

On topic: Glad to hear they got this guy!!


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26 May 2011, 6:14 pm

Tear away is not the word.

Telling people about a war atrocity that butchered 8,000 people is my civic duty essentially.

Later on, I still remember this political cartoon showing Slobodan Milosevic holding a butcher's cleaver while standing on a mass of dead bodies. Disturbing stuff going on there.

EDIT: Unfortunately I cannot find the picture right now. I know what paper it is in and might have to go to the library tomorrow to find it.


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27 May 2011, 1:13 pm

What they call the Srebrenica Massacre is very much misunderstood. For one thing, it didn't take place in Srebrenica at all. It happened mostly in villages outside the town of Zvornik which was significantly to its north.

Mladic ordered his forces to move on Zepa to the south while the column of Srebrenica defenders marched north towards Tuzla. This left very few people to engage the column and the Muslims attacked from Tuzla in the north to help the column. Hundreds of prisoners were held by a small handful of troops whilst the Serb forces in the Zvornik area were in danger of collapse.



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30 May 2011, 7:47 pm

xenon13 wrote:
What they call the Srebrenica Massacre is very much misunderstood. For one thing, it didn't take place in Srebrenica at all. It happened mostly in villages outside the town of Zvornik which was significantly to its north.


Right, they were bussed there from the city.

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Mladic ordered his forces to move on Zepa to the south while the column of Srebrenica defenders marched north towards Tuzla. This left very few people to engage the column and the Muslims attacked from Tuzla in the north to help the column. Hundreds of prisoners were held by a small handful of troops whilst the Serb forces in the Zvornik area were in danger of collapse.


Source?

I have comprehension problems and am delusional sometimes, but I am being cautious of another post you made about the extreme far right helping the welfare of its citizens. Another question to ask you is what was the official body count was.


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31 May 2011, 1:29 pm

Rot in prison, a**hole!
I'd say "let him swing," but I know the Hague doesn't sentence people to death... unlike this prick.

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01 Jun 2011, 2:08 am

HerrGrimm wrote:
xenon13 wrote:
What they call the Srebrenica Massacre is very much misunderstood. For one thing, it didn't take place in Srebrenica at all. It happened mostly in villages outside the town of Zvornik which was significantly to its north.


Right, they were bussed there from the city.

xenon13 wrote:
Mladic ordered his forces to move on Zepa to the south while the column of Srebrenica defenders marched north towards Tuzla. This left very few people to engage the column and the Muslims attacked from Tuzla in the north to help the column. Hundreds of prisoners were held by a small handful of troops whilst the Serb forces in the Zvornik area were in danger of collapse.


Source?

I have comprehension problems and am delusional sometimes, but I am being cautious of another post you made about the extreme far right helping the welfare of its citizens. Another question to ask you is what was the official body count was.



The people who were killed were not bused from the town, they were transported from outside town. What happened was that the 28th Infantry Division chose to abandon the town. A column left the town led by the 28th Infantry Division and this included much of the male population and many others who sought protection from the 28th Division. It crossed though RS-run territory to Tuzla to the north.

The last part of the column left about six hours before the Serbian troops entered the town.

The people who were killed were those killed when the column was engaged by small groups of Serbian troops and also prisoners taken from the column. These are the people shot around Zvornik. The head of the column by the way made it to Tuzla. The ABiH attacked from Tuzla to help them. This threatened the Serbs around Zvornik particularly as the main Drina Corps force moved south of Srebrenica towards Zepa. The ICTY established the times of the shootings as more or less coinciding with the period of danger with the RS forces engaging the column and the forces out of Tuzla.

This information is from the ICTY. At the Krstic trial, Krstic who took over the Drina Corps in the middle of the column's journey to Tuzla (it took about six days) was told to direct his activities towards Zepa and Mladic had this the focus of the efforts.



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04 Jun 2011, 1:58 pm

Hrmph, from what i saw on the news, he's still being very defiant even while under arrest and says he'll need some time to read those ""despicable" (in french, that'd be "odieuses") accusations that're adressed to him.

This whole thing is also stirring up unrest between the two concerned populations. =/



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04 Jun 2011, 3:36 pm

For some reason I did not get any notifications that this thread was still active...

xenon13: Have to get back to you on that. Need to find those documents.

phil777: It has always been contentious, and that also includes Kosovo as well.


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04 Jun 2011, 9:51 pm

I read some of the Krstic trial transcripts. That's where I got the information from. General Morillon who led UNPROFOR told the French parliament that he does not believe that Mladic knew anything about the shootings outside Zvornik.