U.S. House Passes Authority for Worldwide War

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05 Jun 2011, 11:52 pm

Blog entry by ACLU from the 26th of May (click for link):

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The House just passed the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), including a provision to authorize worldwide war, which has no expiration date and will allow this president — and any future president — to go to war anywhere in the world, at any time, without further congressional authorization. The new authorization wouldn’t even require the president to show any threat to the national security of the United States. The American military could become the world’s cop, and could be sent into harm’s way almost anywhere and everywhere around the globe.

Before the vote, the House debated an amendment that would have struck the worldwide war provision. That amendment was introduced by a bipartisan group of representatives: Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.), Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.), Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C.), Rep. Barbara Lee (D-Calif.), Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.), and Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas). Given the enormity of the proposed law, you’d expect the House to debate the amendment to strike it extensively, but that’s not what happened. The amendment was debated for a total of 20 minutes. That’s right. Twenty minutes to debate whether Congress should hand the executive branch sweeping worldwide war authority.

The vote on the amendment took place earlier this afternoon, and it failed on the House floor by a vote of 187-in favor to 234-opposed. Check the vote here.

But not to worry, all of your efforts to bring the importance of the new law and the amendment to strike it to your representatives’ attention have not been in vain — we promise. Today’s vote marks the end only of the first stage in our opposition to an authorization of endless worldwide war for the president and to be honest, we came out looking pretty good.

Though it is a bit awkward to celebrate a loss, a margin of defeat of only 47 votes on a provision that most people were unaware of as recently as two weeks ago is a big step forward. The momentum is on our side. And the Obama administration helped efforts to turn the tide when it issued a threat earlier this week to veto the NDAA if it contained such broad sweeping language for worldwide war.

Your answers to the call for action and the expedient work of a bipartisan group of members of Congress and their staff have our opposition movement very well positioned as we prepare for the next hurdle—the Senate.

The Senate Armed Services Committee is scheduled to begin its markup of the NDAA beginning on June 13. Watch for updates as we continue on this important issue.



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06 Jun 2011, 3:28 am

My plans to leave this s**thole of a country have already been underway for a while. If it does pass, the only choice is a revolution, but that won't happen because the citizenry of the US are a bunch of f*****g sheep who just simply accept what is spoon-fed to them, then they ask for more even if it is feces that they have been fed. People are just simply too f*****g lazy to stand up and fight the hell back against the system.


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06 Jun 2011, 5:22 am

Oh, my god.I can't believe this s**t.I no longer consider life to be getting better.Wait 2 hundred years and the world be a full blown Orwellian dystopia.Life is a nightmare folks



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06 Jun 2011, 11:35 am

DemonAbyss10 wrote:
My plans to leave this s**thole of a country have already been underway for a while. If it does pass, the only choice is a revolution, but that won't happen because the citizenry of the US are a bunch of f***ing sheep who just simply accept what is spoon-fed to them, then they ask for more even if it is feces that they have been fed. People are just simply too f***ing lazy to stand up and fight the hell back against the system.


Have you considered the fact that the "sheep" are outgunned by the government?

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06 Jun 2011, 11:38 am

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Oh, my god.I can't believe this sh**.I no longer consider life to be getting better.Wait 2 hundred years and the world be a full blown Orwellian dystopia.Life is a nightmare folks


Two hundred years seems pretty optimistic to me. I think we'll live to see it.


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17 Jun 2011, 3:45 am

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17 Jun 2011, 7:44 am

Beauty_pact wrote:
Blog entry by ACLU from the 26th of May (click for link):

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The House just passed the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), including a provision to authorize worldwide war, which has no expiration date and will allow this president — and any future president — to go to war anywhere in the world, at any time, without further congressional authorization. The new authorization wouldn’t even require the president to show any threat to the national security of the United States. The American military could become the world’s cop, and could be sent into harm’s way almost anywhere and everywhere around the globe.

Before the vote, the House debated an amendment that would have struck the worldwide war provision. That amendment was introduced by a bipartisan group of representatives: Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.), Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.), Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C.), Rep. Barbara Lee (D-Calif.), Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.), and Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas). Given the enormity of the proposed law, you’d expect the House to debate the amendment to strike it extensively, but that’s not what happened. The amendment was debated for a total of 20 minutes. That’s right. Twenty minutes to debate whether Congress should hand the executive branch sweeping worldwide war authority.

The vote on the amendment took place earlier this afternoon, and it failed on the House floor by a vote of 187-in favor to 234-opposed. Check the vote here.

But not to worry, all of your efforts to bring the importance of the new law and the amendment to strike it to your representatives’ attention have not been in vain — we promise. Today’s vote marks the end only of the first stage in our opposition to an authorization of endless worldwide war for the president and to be honest, we came out looking pretty good.

Though it is a bit awkward to celebrate a loss, a margin of defeat of only 47 votes on a provision that most people were unaware of as recently as two weeks ago is a big step forward. The momentum is on our side. And the Obama administration helped efforts to turn the tide when it issued a threat earlier this week to veto the NDAA if it contained such broad sweeping language for worldwide war.

Your answers to the call for action and the expedient work of a bipartisan group of members of Congress and their staff have our opposition movement very well positioned as we prepare for the next hurdle—the Senate.

The Senate Armed Services Committee is scheduled to begin its markup of the NDAA beginning on June 13. Watch for updates as we continue on this important issue.


Farewell to the Constitution.

As things stand now, Congress can do just about anything it wants to do. Your liberty and mine are not worth sh*t anymore.

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18 Jun 2011, 12:38 am

Oh hell no. They know the economy is not getting any better so they are trying to get us into another wide scale war!

At my university, they are putting military recruiters on campus for the first time. Near my house, the local air force base is making more runs than they have in the past five years.

If this is passed, I and others are not going to pay taxes that contribute to the defense budget. It might be considered illegal but I consider it taxation without representation.



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18 Jun 2011, 2:26 am

Did it fail in congress?? D*** rebublicans war mongering, power grabing, mother less B******, No offesnse to those who follow them off the clift, but they are going to be the end of us. I hope Obama keeps his promice to veto.

The same budget hawks are the ones wanting to proclaim and endless war???? An endless war would cost more than medicare, medcaid, SSDI, SS, and welfare combined. They probably had this planned to cut the deficit on the most vunerable and then spend that money on taking over the freakin world in some political darwinism/ social canabalism


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18 Jun 2011, 7:42 pm

jojobean wrote:
Did it fail in congress?? D*** rebublicans war mongering, power grabing, mother less B******, No offesnse to those who follow them off the clift, but they are going to be the end of us. I hope Obama keeps his promice to veto.


That's not fair. I know plenty of Republicans that don't want this to pass either. It is only the right extremists that want this passed.

Is there any proof that the Republican party has ties with the military industrial complex?



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19 Jun 2011, 12:44 am

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jojobean wrote:
Did it fail in congress?? D*** rebublicans war mongering, power grabing, mother less B******, No offesnse to those who follow them off the clift, but they are going to be the end of us. I hope Obama keeps his promice to veto.


That's not fair. I know plenty of Republicans that don't want this to pass either. It is only the right extremists that want this passed.

Is there any proof that the Republican party has ties with the military industrial complex?


I wasn't refering to people who support the republican party as much as the leaders. Most of the leaders who have ties to the military industry are neo-con republicans and blue dog dems. I have nothing against those who claim to be republican in their political views, although I think those who support the far righters to be brainwashed. My anger is not for the people, but for the leaders who really dont care about the people.
Although, I dont think that the lawmakers who are dems care anymore about the US than the republican leaders, but it is really a choce between evil and lesser evil. Both parties have failed us, and I think that the tea party are just a bunch of neo-nazi's because every tea party supporter that I have met are to some degree or another, white supremists. The US is in its final stages in the life cycle of democracy. One day, people will wake up in a totaltarian regime and wonder how we got here...untill then they sleep walk drunk on lies and propaganda.
Sorry if I offended you...I didn't mean to. I just see where we are going while the country sleeps.


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19 Jun 2011, 2:51 am

The House has been proposing lots of things that will never pass. Abolishing civil rights, abortion, Social Security, then they will be willing to trade for a tax cut.

We need to raise taxes, but that is blocked in the House.

Nothing will happen with the current House. Things needed, like raising the debt ceiling, they will object to. They are war supporters, and failing to raise the debt ceiling would cut off pay for the troops.

Lets go with it, reduce all taxes to 5%, cut the debt ceiling, and pass a balanced budget law.

Social Security is a Trust fund, it has to be paid. Defaulting on Bonds is called bankrupt, and you are all fired. The first thing to do is fire most government workers, and cut the pay of the rest. Also, like the auto companies, unfunded retirement and health care has to be cancelled. All funds get transferred to Social Security, one program for all.

Public Workers were banned from forming Unions, bring back that rule.
I would make an exception for the armed forces, their working conditions are deplorable.

Pay to Congress should be means based, millionairs work for free. Staffers should get the Federal Minimum Wage. Make it ten years that they cannot lobby congress. Make them wear uniforms and be subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

Before taking office, all elected, and staff, must pass a test about their duties, just like a cop or postman. They must pass the same test that immigrants must to become citizens. They must read and pass a test on, and swear to uphold, the Constitution.

Congress must be subject to all the laws they pass.

End all farm subsidies. Enforce all laws equally.

Abolish income tax, Put a 5% tax on net worth. No deductions.

All oil in the ground belongs to the people. Norway gets 75%. They have strict regulations, and no shortage of drillers.

Raise the Minimum Wage, and cut hours to 36 a week.

Businesses that hire illegals, are conficated and sold to fund the Border Patrol. Illegals get a ten year sentance picking crops, then deported.

As Citizens who reside abroad are taxed like they lived in the US, apply the same to Corporations.

All Mortgages are set at 3%, and not deductable. 20% down is mandatory.

Only end users may buy fuel and food futures.

The intent of this is to pay off the National Debt, Raise real wages, have full employment, a strong dollar, and promote investment here.

We need a two tier currency, One domestic, only good in country, and one international. This would end the drug trade. It also allows for remaining the Reserve Currency world wide. Boosting our own economy would not be exporting inflation.

A Minimum Income would replace most programs, Food Stamps, Unemployment, SSI, State Welfare, Be adjusted according to prior employment, instant, and be reduced $1 for every $2 earned.

Make it $1,000 a month, per person, and Minimum Wage $2,000. This is all money that cannot leave the country, so it will boost consumer demand.

There is more than one way to revolt.



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19 Jun 2011, 2:47 pm

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I wasn't refering to people who support the republican party as much as the leaders. Most of the leaders who have ties to the military industry are neo-con republicans and blue dog dems


It would be helpful to distinguish more or else we miscommunicate.

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Although, I dont think that the lawmakers who are dems care anymore about the US than the republican leaders, but it is really a choce between evil and lesser evil.


I feel the same way. That's why I vote Democrat because I feel the Republican party would be more harmful than Democrats.

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The US is in its final stages in the life cycle of democracy. One day, people will wake up in a totaltarian regime and wonder how we got here...untill then they sleep walk drunk on lies and propaganda.


It doesn't have to be that way. I am not ready to give up on the people living in this country.

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Sorry if I offended you...I didn't mean to. I just see where we are going while the country sleeps.


I was not offended. I am not a Republican myself, but I don't like seeing people who didn't deserve it being put down no matter how much I agree or disagree with them. I now realize that wasn't your intention. It was a miscommunication. Thank you for your response.



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19 Jun 2011, 3:05 pm

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll361.xml

Thats the final Vote for the House, on the amendment to Curtail the Provision for Executive Power to declare World Wide War..... Find your representative there and Vote for the opposition next time if they voted "no" :D . The meaning behind this is that the NDAA (The bit of law that gives the President this power to begin with) has already passed the house. This vote was a propsed amendment to that law.



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19 Jun 2011, 5:01 pm

If all else fails, there's always judicial review....unless some s**thead decides that such measures aren't necessary. But this is actually unconstitutional, since only Congress can actually declare war. I think reason has a chance.



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19 Jun 2011, 10:40 pm

Reads like propaganda.