Crazy ass vet repels mob with 67yo Soviet rifle...

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17 Jun 2011, 11:59 pm

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[url]http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-metro-man-says-teen-mob-terrorized-his-neighborhood-20110616,0,4762112.story[url]

KANSAS CITY, MO.—
Roger MacBride says that he's used to looking out for trouble in his old Northeast neighborhood. But usually the problems involve prostitutes or drug addicts, and he says that he wasn't ready for what he calls a mob of young troublemakers who threatened his home and family.

Witnesses say that a group of 25 to 30 young teens terrorized the neighborhood on Wednesday. MacBride says that the teens kicked in the door to a neighboring home and broke windows inside. He says when he yelled at the group to get out, they turned on him.

"All of a sudden, this one kid with corn rows comes out and he's like yakety yak, (expletive), da, da, da. He's like we'll kick your (expletive) too you don't (expletive) own this neighborhood, and they are like, literally, 12 of them, start running over here," said MacBride.

MacBride says the teens surrounded his house, picking up rocks and throwing them at him. That's when he says in his eyes, the mob stopped being a bunch of kids and became a big threat. He says the teens were reaching for his door handle when the the sight of his Soviet rifle had an instant reaction.

"I grabbed this and literally just came straight out the porch, came out just like this, and was like now, get the (expletive) out of here," said MacBride. "I literally come out that side door, and these two kids are like, hey, he's got a gun. And then everybody just woosh, they just dispersed totally."

MacBride shudders to think what would have happened if he didn't have his gun. He says an elderly neighbor told him the mob terrorized her as she walked home. And MacBride claims a passing vehicle had a window smashed by the rowdy group.

MacBride says police told him the teens had come from a nearby school, which dismissed early Wednesday, the last day of classes. Security apparently chased the mob off school property when they were causing problems there.

Neighbors were quick to credit the military veteran for taking action to scare the kids away.

"Anymore, that's probably the only solution we have. In order to protect our property and our families. These kids don't realize the tyranny they're bringing on the community. Instead of being a good productive citizen to this country, they want to be thugs," said neighbor Rick Juarez.


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18 Jun 2011, 2:47 am

whoooo hooooo...go vet!


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18 Jun 2011, 4:36 am

It's unfortunate those kids couldn't be bothered to put a mass effort into something positive. All they know how to do is destroy.



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18 Jun 2011, 6:22 am

Horrible teenagers, I hold a view that they should get community service cleaning toilets, whitewashing grafiti and picking up leaves in the park.

But the problem is what would have happened if the little monsters had not run away at the sight of the rifle ? Would we view the man in America the same way if he had shot a couple of these teenaged monsters ?

I hold the view that unless you are willing to shoot someone (and deal with the results of your handiwork) it is best not to reach for a gun during a dispute.

Dr Woodpecker would like to suggest some preventative medicine to fix these kids, an angry dog, a good fence and maybe some other things might help allow you to deal with these horrors without the need for a firearm.


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18 Jun 2011, 5:39 pm

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Horrible teenagers, I hold a view that they should get community service cleaning toilets, whitewashing grafiti and picking up leaves in the park.

But the problem is what would have happened if the little monsters had not run away at the sight of the rifle ? Would we view the man in America the same way if he had shot a couple of these teenaged monsters ?

I hold the view that unless you are willing to shoot someone (and deal with the results of your handiwork) it is best not to reach for a gun during a dispute.

Dr Woodpecker would like to suggest some preventative medicine to fix these kids, an angry dog, a good fence and maybe some other things might help allow you to deal with these horrors without the need for a firearm.

If someone threatens you and then breaks into your house, you have reason to fear for your safety and it's legal to shoot them. That's legal even in California. He did not chase them down the street or anything so it never got to the point of excessive force or brandishing a weapon. There would have been very little change in perception of this man if he had to shoot somebody because he locked himself in his house and they still came after him. A fence wouldn't help because most cities restrict front yard fences to less than 4 feet, a dog might have given some of them pause but there were enough of them to gang up on it and at best would only hold them at bay (and they still might vandalize his property). When dealing with delinquents that are forcing a confrontation, pulling a gun is usually the quickest and safest way for all concerned to end the situation because it causes them to scatter like shining a light on cockroaches usually without having to fire a shot (most self defense with a firearm ends without a shot being fired).


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19 Jun 2011, 1:22 am

a fence, nor a dog will stop a slew of rocks. Dogs dont work anyway, they just get traumatized and rather useless.
I may be a "liberal" but I believe in the second amendment cause a gun may mean the difference between being a survivor or being a victim.

Kid crime is nothing new. Christmas and halloween were created to deal with kid crime after the harvest and the kids have nothing to do. Before halloween and Christmas were major hollidays, farm kids would set whole towns on fire because they had nothing to do and all this pent up energy had to go somewherem and those holidays changed that by rewarding them for good behavior and rejecting them for bad behavior.

programs need to be set up after school with the same possitive reninforment models to keep kids off the street and busy doing something possitive. Some teenagers have not developed higher skills of consciquental thinking which lead to that kind of behavior when coupled with impulse control problems. This should be addressed too.

I believe that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, but sometimes you have to use that pound of cure. so go vet!


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19 Jun 2011, 5:05 am

John_Browning wrote:
If someone threatens you and then breaks into your house, you have reason to fear for your safety and it's legal to shoot them. That's legal even in California. He did not chase them down the street or anything so it never got to the point of excessive force or brandishing a weapon. There would have been very little change in perception of this man if he had to shoot somebody because he locked himself in his house and they still came after him. A fence wouldn't help because most cities restrict front yard fences to less than 4 feet, a dog might have given some of them pause but there were enough of them to gang up on it and at best would only hold them at bay (and they still might vandalize his property). When dealing with delinquents that are forcing a confrontation, pulling a gun is usually the quickest and safest way for all concerned to end the situation because it causes them to scatter like shining a light on cockroaches usually without having to fire a shot (most self defense with a firearm ends without a shot being fired).


My biggest worry is the "John Wayne syndrom" which some people get when they get a gun. Some people think that having a gun enables them to say or do things which they would never done if they did not have a gun. One problem is when people think that pulling out a gun is a perfect solution, while many wrongdoers may well run away at the sight of a gun there are some who will not. I worry most about people who pull out a gun and are not willing to use it, what can happen is that someone takes the gun off them and then uses it on them.

I suspect that no matter what the wording of the laws, the press will paint the man as a monster if he shots any of the kids.


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20 Jun 2011, 9:14 pm

Woodpecker wrote:
My biggest worry is the "John Wayne syndrom" which some people get when they get a gun. Some people think that having a gun enables them to say or do things which they would never done if they did not have a gun. One problem is when people think that pulling out a gun is a perfect solution, while many wrongdoers may well run away at the sight of a gun there are some who will not. I worry most about people who pull out a gun and are not willing to use it, what can happen is that someone takes the gun off them and then uses it on them.

I suspect that no matter what the wording of the laws, the press will paint the man as a monster if he shots any of the kids.

The gun control lobby has been screaming about has been screaming about vigilantes and wild west shootouts in the streets for about 15 years ever since the concealed carry movement picked up steam, but such incidents are EXTREMELY rare. I'd get you some exact statistics, but the anti gun lobby grossly exaggerates them by adding cases that were either ruled a clean kill, charges were dropped or thrown out of court, or acquitted, and all those types of cases I mentioned by far make up the vast majority of self-defense related shootings.


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22 Jun 2011, 12:22 pm

I think that its because he was a vet that he had the self control NOT to shoot.

Me? Hell, if a dozen or so teens were acting like a mob, threatening my safety and that of my loved ones AND were actively attacking us (they throw rocks at my windows whats next? a molotov?) .. I would not hesitate to shoot.

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"MacBride says that the teens kicked in the door"


That alone should be legal reason enough to be able to kill a few of them in self defense. They already had proved they would breach a home to attack it.



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25 Jun 2011, 2:19 am

Woodpecker wrote:
Horrible teenagers, I hold a view that they should get community service cleaning toilets, whitewashing grafiti and picking up leaves in the park.

But the problem is what would have happened if the little monsters had not run away at the sight of the rifle ? Would we view the man in America the same way if he had shot a couple of these teenaged monsters ?

I hold the view that unless you are willing to shoot someone (and deal with the results of your handiwork) it is best not to reach for a gun during a dispute.

Dr Woodpecker would like to suggest some preventative medicine to fix these kids, an angry dog, a good fence and maybe some other things might help allow you to deal with these horrors without the need for a firearm.


Well those kids are idiots for doing that......especailly if they knew the guy was a veteran, then its really stupid because a lot of them aren't f*cking around when they pull out a gun. I am not trying to be sterotypical but I have a friend who's a veteran he was in some sort of special forces or whatever(he's not allowed to discuss the details) but yeah basically he explained to me and others who know him that if he snaps it would not be pretty......so he's told us all what sorts of things set him off because he does not want to end up hurting anyone. But I guess my point is if the guy had a gun he probably had every intention of using it, if it came to that.



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25 Jun 2011, 9:19 am

My dad is a Vietnam vet, he always told me if you can stomach killing a squirrel or a rabbit a person is no problem. Pull the trigger and watch him drop then check his pockets for souveniers. The only difference is animals are innocent but you know a person has done something at least once in their lives to deserve being shot. :wink:

It would not have been a big lost if he shot one or two of those teens, people who do that sort of thing in their youth probably will not grow up to be upstanding adults in the neighborhood. :wink: :twisted: If that guy did not have that rifle he would have been beaten to death or crippled while the teens would of just been slapped on the wrist or not even caught.


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