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22 Jun 2011, 6:12 am

The US National Security Agency (NSA) is one of the most powerful and secretive intelligence agencies in the world. It's annual budget is classified but sufficient to say they are the largest funded portfolio area within the Department of Defence (DOD) in the USA.

I was perusing the NSA website to scan what they might be spending American taxpayer's money on. I came across a this very curious public press release of documents released under FOI to the American public on April 27 2011.
http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/declass/ufo/index.shtml
One of the documents bowled me over. It appears the NSA has intercepted messages from an alien source and were investigating the decryption of the aforementioned messages in it's own publication the NSA Technical journal.
http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/u ... ssages.pdf

The same NSA author then published a follow up paper
http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/u ... igence.pdf
The following is true......
In the most recentissue ofthe NSA Technical Journal - Vol. XI , No. 1-
Mr. Lambros D. Callimahos discussed certain aspects of extraterrestrial
intelligence and included seueral messages to test the reader's ingenuity.
In the foUowing pages, Dr. H. H. Campaigne offers additional communications from outer space.
Recently a series of radio messages was he a rd coming from out e r
space. The transmission was not cont inuous but was cut by paus e s
into pieces which could be t aken as uni t s , for they were repeated ove r
and ove r again. The pauses show he r e as punc tua t ion. The various
combinations have been represented by l e t t e r s of the a lphabe t , so tha t
the messages c an be wr i t t en down. Ea ch message except the first is
given here only once. The serial numbe r of the message has be en
suppl i ed for each reference.

Am I dreaming or is this the final admission from the NSA and thus the US government that they acknoweldge the existence of intelligent alien life attempting to communicate with us??

I'd like to hear what others think of this information, would appreciate serious feedback.



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22 Jun 2011, 8:42 am

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Am I dreaming or is this the final admission from the NSA and thus the US government that they acknoweldge the existence of intelligent alien life attempting to communicate with us??

I'd like to hear what others think of this information, would appreciate serious feedback.


Unlikely.

No visible source for these "messages". If they are a cypher they clear are not intended for us. They would be plain - for example the sequence of prime integers. Easily produced and clearly not random or natural.

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22 Jun 2011, 8:49 am

"Random" does not equal "Encrypted", even though pseudo-random sequences are used to encrypt data.

Otherwise, insufficient data.

I know, I know ... to the ignorant, "Unidentified" means "Extraterrestrial", "Unknown" means "Conspiracy", and "Lack of Evidence" means "Coverup".

:roll:

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22 Jun 2011, 8:33 pm

ruveyn wrote:
No visible source for these "messages".


Yes no clear source obviously

ruveyn wrote:
If they are a cypher they clear are not intended for us.


Ummm how do you know for sure?

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They would be plain - for example the sequence of prime integers. Easily produced and clearly not random or natural


Ummm the NSA document clearly states the structure of the message has punctuation and cycles through repeated sequences that are not random.



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22 Jun 2011, 8:44 pm

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"Random" does not equal "Encrypted", even though pseudo-random sequences are used to encrypt data.Otherwise, insufficient data.
I know, I know ... to the ignorant, "Unidentified" means "Extraterrestrial", "Unknown" means "Conspiracy", and "Lack of Evidence" means "Coverup".
:roll:
Nothing more to see here.


It's a pity you didn't bother reading the NSA technical report

Abstract: Dr Campaigne presented a series of 29 messages from outer space in Extraterrestrial Intelligence NSA Technical Journal Vol XI No 2 pp 101. and in the Special Mathematics and Engineering Issue of the Journal pp 117 the following article develops a key to these messages.

Putting aside the ramifications of the article did anyone know the NSA had a journal called "Extraterrestrial Intelligence"! !! !

and from page 20

Looking back liver the exercise we see we have penetrated the
meaning or the basic symbols (of the message), and even more important , have learned
some of the syntax rules or the notation, and have caught mistakes in
the process. We have a few words for sophisticated concepts, and given
more data , with a little labor we could establish its translation (of the incoming message).
The concepts used here are the basic ones of numbers, sets and
physical constants which any cultures must share. How bizarre the
syntax and values of the culture could be I cannot conjecture, but any
civilization capable of sending a message across space must have many
things in common.


Now are you suggesting the NSA has posted fake documents on a US government website perpetrating a hoax? If so you are the one that is insinuating a conspiracy.



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22 Jun 2011, 9:36 pm

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It's a pity you didn't bother reading the NSA technical report...

I have.

It starts out with the claim "We are not alone", and then provides a lot of theory and assumptions, but no definitive evidence to support the claim.

Just the sort of "report" that the trailer-park crowd laps up.



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23 Jun 2011, 5:33 am

Fnord wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
It's a pity you didn't bother reading the NSA technical report...

I have.

It starts out with the claim "We are not alone", and then provides a lot of theory and assumptions, but no definitive evidence to support the claim.

Just the sort of "report" that the trailer-park crowd laps up.


Not sure how it is a theory when the technical paper is talking about "intercepted messages". Am I the only one to notice this rather earth shattering admission from the NSA?



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23 Jun 2011, 6:35 am

I don't think this is evidence of alien transmissions. I see two more likely possibilities:

1)over-interpretation of data. Just because something has a pattern doesn't mean that pattern was a result of conscious choices

2)pranking- always a possibility on the internet, even with a .gov suffix



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23 Jun 2011, 5:25 pm

cyberdad wrote:
The US National Security Agency (NSA) is one of the most powerful and secretive intelligence agencies in the world. It's annual budget is classified but sufficient to say they are the largest funded portfolio area within the Department of Defence (DOD) in the USA.

I was perusing the NSA website to scan what they might be spending American taxpayer's money on. I came across a this very curious public press release of documents released under FOI to the American public on April 27 2011.
http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/declass/ufo/index.shtml
One of the documents bowled me over. It appears the NSA has intercepted messages from an alien source and were investigating the decryption of the aforementioned messages in it's own publication the NSA Technical journal.
http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/u ... ssages.pdf

The same NSA author then published a follow up paper
http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/u ... igence.pdf
The following is true......
In the most recentissue ofthe NSA Technical Journal - Vol. XI , No. 1-
Mr. Lambros D. Callimahos discussed certain aspects of extraterrestrial
intelligence and included seueral messages to test the reader's ingenuity.
In the foUowing pages, Dr. H. H. Campaigne offers additional communications from outer space.
Recently a series of radio messages was he a rd coming from out e r
space. The transmission was not cont inuous but was cut by paus e s
into pieces which could be t aken as uni t s , for they were repeated ove r
and ove r again. The pauses show he r e as punc tua t ion. The various
combinations have been represented by l e t t e r s of the a lphabe t , so tha t
the messages c an be wr i t t en down. Ea ch message except the first is
given here only once. The serial numbe r of the message has be en
suppl i ed for each reference.

Am I dreaming or is this the final admission from the NSA and thus the US government that they acknoweldge the existence of intelligent alien life attempting to communicate with us??

I'd like to hear what others think of this information, would appreciate serious feedback.

Do you have dates as when the signals were detected?

Also, a couple of those UFO reports probably are weather balloons but that doesn't explain all of them.


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23 Jun 2011, 5:41 pm

i cannot come up with a reason that an intelligent species would want to contact a human living on planet earth.



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24 Jun 2011, 2:20 pm

The whole UFO alien thing is a HUGE sort of open secret, for those anyway that aren't controlled and brainwashed with dogma and that are able to logically put the pieces together, you will come to the conclusion that alien life exists and that it is/has been here for a long long time.

To those that want to argue something to the effect of "I demand physical proof or it doesn't exist", I highly suggest you do your own research like I have, do your own digging and stop relying on other people to tell you what's true and what's not. But then again, it's much easier to lean on other peoples ideas and to be told what to think and believe than to think for yourself and take responsibility, right?

Why are government and ex government personnel, military, pilots, contractors, scientists and other reputable sources coming forward with information regarding the alien question? Why are some of them being murdered?

National Press Club Ufo/Alien disclosure, over 100 government, military and civilian witnesses come forward:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk
William Milton Cooper, former naval intelligence officer 1970-73 comes forward at Mufon Symposium 1989, killed in 2001
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 893863155#
And the more controversial, supposed former government geologist Phil Schneider, comes forward with his testimony in this 7 part recording. Later rumored to have been murdered
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs4emKd_fG4


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24 Jun 2011, 4:48 pm

I guess it's finally time for it to become common knowledge, soon, now.

I'm not even excited about it, though... I have no reason to be. I wonder how most others will react, though... when it becomes clear that they have been here all along.

While I'm not excited, maybe they can help improving things... seeing as humanity is incapable of it, by themselves. I'm not sure how that would be done, but they did assist humans in ancient times. Unfortunately, they also abused them, at times, and have since. Then again, it's not just one alien species, out there, but several, so maybe they are not all the same... but I'd imagine that they generally are flawed, like humans... maybe not quite as flawed, though.

One may wonder if there truly is something uniquely special with the Earth, for this time, especially, among other world's with higher intelligence... at this time in Earth's history, the moon eclipses the sun exactly - neither more nor less. However, it hasn't always been that way; in the distant past, the moon was closer to the Earth than it is now, and in the future, it will be farther and farther away, forever putting an end to exact solar eclipses. What are the chances of a planet with life getting a moon that ever does that? And further, what are the chances that a highly intelligent species (comparatively so, anyway) would live at the quite brief time of Earth's history when that moon would allow for such an exact eclipse of the sun? The likelihood is astronomical. Is it really just a coincidence?

Next year there are three solar eclipses; one very, very rare eclipse caused by Venus, and two solar eclipses - the second of which can directly be connected to the Mayan civilization - and then the center of the galaxy also will be eclipsed, in the galactic alignment - that happens every 13000 years. Makes you wonder if something interesting surely must be happening, 2012, after all. I guess proper alien contact might be the least that we can expect.



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25 Jun 2011, 9:35 pm

I do find it ironic that most everyone on wp can believe in aliens based on statistics alone, but when someone like cyber dad comes up with some proof of them actually interacting with people,...then he is practically labeled as a kook, and trailer trash to boot. I wonder why this is?? Is it a great example of shoot the messanger cuz we would rather comfortably deny that they dont exsist within our range of the universe? Tell me how can such naysayers believe in aliens on their turf, but if they come near earth, then its just consperacy theories??

Stephen Hawkins believes that alot of these alien races have already destroyed their homeplanet, and just cruise the universe in life sustaining ships searching for new planets to pillage. He says that we only need to look at our own species to know how other intelegent species would react to us. If that is the case, it would be a very bad idea to engage in communcation with them.
Thats not what he said verbatum, but it sums it up.

And to add to that Einstien believed in folds in the fabric of space which create wormholes through space-time. So far he has been right about black holes, the theory of relativity, nuclear science. His theories hold a good track record of being right, so I can safely bet that he is right about wormholes too, we just havent found them yet cause we have no instraments which are designed to detect folds in space time.
If they do exsist, more advanced nomadic aliens could indeed use those wormholes to get to different sides of space alot faster. which could explain to naysayers how they could get here if they are soooo far away. Plus as Hawkins suggest that they are nomadic so they no longer have a viable home planet to travel from.


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26 Jun 2011, 11:03 am

jojobean wrote:
I do find it ironic that most everyone on wp can believe in aliens based on statistics alone, but when someone like cyber dad comes up with some proof of them actually interacting with people,...then he is practically labeled as a kook, and trailer trash to boot. I wonder why this is?? Is it a great example of shoot the messanger cuz we would rather comfortably deny that they dont exsist within our range of the universe? Tell me how can such naysayers believe in aliens on their turf, but if they come near earth, then its just consperacy theories??

Stephen Hawkins believes that alot of these alien races have already destroyed their homeplanet, and just cruise the universe in life sustaining ships searching for new planets to pillage. He says that we only need to look at our own species to know how other intelegent species would react to us. If that is the case, it would be a very bad idea to engage in communcation with them.
Thats not what he said verbatum, but it sums it up.

And to add to that Einstien believed in folds in the fabric of space which create wormholes through space-time. So far he has been right about black holes, the theory of relativity, nuclear science. His theories hold a good track record of being right, so I can safely bet that he is right about wormholes too, we just havent found them yet cause we have no instraments which are designed to detect folds in space time.
If they do exsist, more advanced nomadic aliens could indeed use those wormholes to get to different sides of space alot faster. which could explain to naysayers how they could get here if they are soooo far away. Plus as Hawkins suggest that they are nomadic so they no longer have a viable home planet to travel from.


Even if worm holes exist they are not stable. No one could get through them before they collapsed.

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26 Jun 2011, 2:52 pm

jojobean wrote:
I do find it ironic that most everyone on wp can believe in aliens based on statistics alone, but when someone like cyber dad comes up with some proof of them actually interacting with people,...then he is practically labeled as a kook, and trailer trash to boot. I wonder why this is?? Is it a great example of shoot the messanger cuz we would rather comfortably deny that they dont exsist within our range of the universe? Tell me how can such naysayers believe in aliens on their turf, but if they come near earth, then its just consperacy theories??


The problem with "consperacy theories is that once they start it is close to impossible to stop them. All you need is the right mix of fiction and some things which are belived by "the man in the street".

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Stephen Hawkins believes that alot of these alien races have already destroyed their homeplanet, and just cruise the universe in life sustaining ships searching for new planets to pillage. He says that we only need to look at our own species to know how other intelegent species would react to us. If that is the case, it would be a very bad idea to engage in communcation with them.
Thats not what he said verbatum, but it sums it up.


Just becuase Stephen Hawkins believes something does not make it true or right. Perhapes you should read the book "Whats this thing called science", it is all about the way in which people do science and reason. It is important to understand how a paradigm forms in science and is then replaced later by a different one. See Thomas Kuhn's idea of paradigms in science, what ever Hawkins or Einstein says even if it is adopted by the majority of scientists is just another paradigm. So far the ideas of Einstein have withstood all attempts to show that they are false by testing them through experiments but it is very possible that his ideas will be overturned later.

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And to add to that Einstien believed in folds in the fabric of space which create wormholes through space-time. So far he has been right about black holes, the theory of relativity, nuclear science. His theories hold a good track record of being right, so I can safely bet that he is right about wormholes too, we just havent found them yet cause we have no instraments which are designed to detect folds in space time.
If they do exsist, more advanced nomadic aliens could indeed use those wormholes to get to different sides of space alot faster. which could explain to naysayers how they could get here if they are soooo far away. Plus as Hawkins suggest that they are nomadic so they no longer have a viable home planet to travel from.


The idea of the worm holes seems untestable, so it might be outside of what I would call "real science". While at some point in the future it might be possible to test the theory right now it is untestable. Untestable in the same way as the hypothesis that the moon was made of cheese was in 1940, at that point it was impossible to visit or sample the moon but with the improvements in technology in the 1960s it is now possible to show that the moon is not made of cheese.


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26 Jun 2011, 3:17 pm

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The idea of the worm holes seems untestable, so it might be outside of what I would call "real science". While at some point in the future it might be possible to test the theory right now it is untestable. Untestable in the same way as the hypothesis that the moon was made of cheese was in 1940, at that point it was impossible to visit or sample the moon but with the improvements in technology in the 1960s it is now possible to show that the moon is not made of cheese.


If the moon had been made of cheese the meteor and asteroid craters would have been much bigger and the cheese would have melted from the sunlight. Thus would have been obvious to any telescopic observer since the 1700s.

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