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05 Nov 2012, 3:37 pm

Not to diminish the impact Sandy had on the nation, but really?

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05 Nov 2012, 4:28 pm

Thanks for the laugh.

The devastation from Sandy was a drop in the bucket compared to Katrina.



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05 Nov 2012, 4:50 pm

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Thanks for the laugh.

The devastation from Sandy was a drop in the bucket compared to Katrina.


Lower Manhattan looked like the flood of Noah and parts of Brooklyn and Queen and some of the shore areas of Long Island looked like World War 2.

The loss of life was minimal compared to Katrina. This time around FEMA got their act together. But property damaged and lost business revenues will probably top $60 Bn.

The hurricane itself was a mere category 1, but combined with a storm moving in from the West and a Polar high creating a nor'Easter and then on top of that a full moon high tide added 4 feet to the storm surge. The Battery in Manhattan was under 10 feet of water for a while, the subways AND the Lincoln and Mid Town tunnels were both flooded. Loss of electrical power was wide spread and is still not fully restored. In the part of New Jersey we are in we still have not got our electricity back. This is seven days, no power. For about 4 days we had gasoline hysteria. The power outage made it impossible for most gasoline service stations to pump gas even though there underground storage tanks were full.

We lost the contents of our freezer and refrigerator. After the three days the thaw began and we did not have electrical power to run our stove to cook the food, so it had to go.
Damn! The good news is the all but $100.00 of the food loss is covered by our home owners insurance.

The main good news is that loss of life was minimal compared to Katrina. FEMA did a totally miserable job in New Orleans so thousands died because of their stupidity. In the New Jersey New York area the current toll is under 200 but it will go up some when the bodies are eventually found.

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05 Nov 2012, 4:57 pm

It's not even close.

New Orleans was little more than a nearly lawless frontier for days after Katrina. Hospitals were completely unusable. For the first 48 hours or so, there were horrific stories coming out from the sports stadium that was being used as a shelter by many. In some areas, people were climbing up into their attics to avoid water and if they couldn't break through and climb onto the roof, some were dying there.

Losing your electricity? That's hardly a disaster. An inconvenience maybe, but not a disaster.



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05 Nov 2012, 5:07 pm

eric76 wrote:
It's not even close.

New Orleans was little more than a nearly lawless frontier for days after Katrina. Hospitals were completely unusable. For the first 48 hours or so, there were horrific stories coming out from the sports stadium that was being used as a shelter by many. In some areas, people were climbing up into their attics to avoid water and if they couldn't break through and climb onto the roof, some were dying there.

Losing your electricity? That's hardly a disaster. An inconvenience maybe, but not a disaster.


In an area of Brooklyn one hundred homes burned down and the fire department could not get through to put out the fire. It is true that the total loss of life is much less in the New Jersey New York storm, but this is a civilized area, not the wild third world of New Orleans.

The dollar loss will be higher for Sandy because the area affected was much more productive economically.

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05 Nov 2012, 5:07 pm

It would certainly be accurate to say that Sandy was more devastating to people in New York than Katrina was devastating to people in New York.



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05 Nov 2012, 5:12 pm

According to the article linked to in the OP, this is all about political point scoring, not reality.



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05 Nov 2012, 5:14 pm

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The dollar loss will be higher for Sandy because the area affected was much more productive economically.

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That might be true if Sandy devastated New York and put it completely out of business for a couple of months.

The estimated damages for Katrina were in the neighborhood of $81 billion in 2005 dollars. In 2012 dollars, that should be about $90 billion. Other estimates are as much as $105 billion in 2005 dollars or about $120 billion in 2012 dollars.

Early estimates of damages for Sandy are $20 billion in property damages and $50 billion in economic damages and that is in 2012 dollars, not 2005 dollars.



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05 Nov 2012, 5:25 pm

eric76 wrote:

Early estimates of damages for Sandy are $20 billion in property damages and $50 billion in economic damages and that is in 2012 dollars, not 2005 dollars.


The real cost will be computed after things settle down a bit. Sandy was expensive though.

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05 Nov 2012, 5:36 pm

If New York City were in Britain, instead of crying about how bad it was, they'd just remark "It's only a flesh wound" and get on with their lives.



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05 Nov 2012, 7:43 pm

The reality of the situation is that the destruction is in the mainstream media's backyard, they actually can't ignore it because it is their own houses that have been damaged.



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05 Nov 2012, 8:01 pm

Around here, we don't consider New York City to be mainstream.



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05 Nov 2012, 10:03 pm

Say what Euro trash?

New orleans had 1570 murdered by using it to practice confining a city in revolt for a week. Mostly old white women who died from thirst in the heat of summer, waiting for aid to come, as Coast Guard with machine guns patrolled the lakeshore turning back boats that came to give aid, under threat of death.

The Superdome is two blocks from the river, some huge docks, but the government could not get a ship up the river with water, food, medical supplies. Not in a week, not in ten days, not ever.

Yea, we were all on rooftops with looted watermelons, and you were afraid of getting watermelon rinds thrown at you, besides, we did not address you as Massa.

Scale that up from our population of less than a third of a million, and you would have over a million dead in New York and New Jersey. It was over a month till my house got power. Everyone was run out, no power, water, gas, and First Responders went house to house, and looted them all.

A third of our population never came back.

New York got three foot higher than the last high water mark, our Corp of Engineers signed off levee right in the middle of the city failed at ten foot above sea level, when it was designed to hold back seventeen foot.

It failed because the inspected 40' sheet pilings, signed for by the Corp of Engineers, turned out to be 20', and the good clay in the bottom of the canal was dug out another nine foot down to a layer of peat, which allowed the water to run under the levee, short sheet pilings, lift them, till they opened like big double doors. Digging out a canal in the city to sixteen foot that drains through a narrow bridge, into a six foot deep lake.

The under water canal was signed for by the Corp of Engineers, and no one will say who got paid to remove the clay, why it was removed, where it went.

All records were sealed by a Federal Judge.

The east coast was an act of nature, we were murdered as a by product of Felony Contracting by The Corp of Engineers.

Then we were treated like enemies, third worlders, and starved out. For six months we had troops in the streets, and armed men wearing FBI, DEA, jackets. We had jets flying over just looking for someone to bomb. Families returning a month after Katrina were stopped by troops, M-16s, pointed at them, dragged out of their cars and put face down in the street, and every thing in their car was dragged out into the street, with constant threats of go ahead, try something.

The guy who delivers gas to my local station told me at six AM, how he was late because some National Guard troops stopped his truck, gas tanker, then noticing he was from North Africa, dragged him out with a half dozen guns in his face, people saying "we got one," slammed him to the pavement, handcuffed him, kicked him, and called him a terrorist. Not till they called the refinery where the made a pickup every morning, and his boss who owned the trucking company, and the station where the gas was to be delivered, did they release him. They also asked what Church he went to.

This was six weeks after Katrina, he had driven the same route every day for three weeks. The North Africans own a dozen stations, open 24 hours, and were first back with food, water, ice, gas, and made it possible for the rest of us to return.

Yes, it was hard to get things back to normal. We never did.

Over the next three years our death rate was 700% of the national rate, because our hospitals never reopened, the loss of a third of the population caused Doctors to move, medical records were lost, homes that were insured were foreclosed, and the bank then collected the insurance.

We were looted by first, Government contracts to build fake levees, then First Responders who came from all over, found every safe and jewelry box, firearm, then by occupation by Homeland Security for six months, Then by Insurance companies, Banks, and all of the relief money for our city was given to the State, who were Republicans from North Louisiana, who kept it.

It killed what economy we did have, people have been leaving, last year, seven years later, 8% left, and property values dropped 8%. Business cannot survive, shops stand empty, shopping malls with few cars, we are in an economic death spiral.

So we deserve it because we are third world Hatians? Well New York is not America, it is the scum of Europe and other places, living in their ethnic gangs, who have never been to America, because it is not New York and New Jersey. What ever happens to them is fully deserved, they can die, take their old world views back to where were run out of, or wait for the next and much bigger wave that will make them all shark food. Washington to Boston is what is wrong with this country.

As Doctor John said, "Cane harvest bound to come."

As Malcom X said, "The chickens will come home to roost."



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07 Nov 2012, 11:39 pm

Katrina killed almost 2000 people total. Sandy killed, what? Roughly 40 or so?

I'm sorry that Sandy hit the Northeast, but I think Katrina did a lot more damage all told.

Besides, why are we arguing over which storm did the most damage? Both of them were horrible storms.



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08 Nov 2012, 12:53 am

I went through Katrina myself (I lived right outside New Orleans at the time), and half of my family just went through Sandy (including someone who lives by the Jersey shore, which supposedly got hit the hardest. The verdict among us is that Katrina was hands down much worse lol. It took us over a month after Katrina (in the worst of summer, 100+ degrees and 85+% humidity daily) just to get power back, and that wasn't even in New Orleans itself, that was about 20 miles away. Living on MREs and army-supplied water for all that time was no fun either! I actually used to have a few pretty cool pictures that I took right after the storm. One is of a yacht turned upside-down on top of the roof of this huge mansion....another is of a bank that got completely demolished and only the vault was left standing.

So was Sandy bad? Yes, but I don't think it holds a flame to Katrina. It just affected more people in total perhaps since that area of the country is so heavily populated.



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08 Nov 2012, 12:30 pm

From the wild third world of New Orleans, in the mountains of Louisiana, which New York confuses with West Virgina.

About now the first relief would be showing up, truckloads of National Guard with fixed bayonets, to herd people onto busses, to be deported in the night, a thousand miles away, most to never return.

While that Millitary solution was going on, white, upper middle class women trapped in their Lakefront homes were dying of thirst, and people who moved above the water onto overpasses were being shot and killed by the police. People who tried to walk across the Mississippi River bridge were turned back into the flooded city by police gunfire.

Locals who tried to reach friends and family by boat were turned back by Homeland Security with machine guns, as the Coast Guard no longer is tasked with rescue, but with preventing it.

It seems the people of Eurostan, who fled their King and made it as far as New York, think that government should be Mob Enforced. That is the way it is in Eurostan, and other people trying to live free of the rule of Kings, need armed men to put them in their place.

We Hatian hillbillies of the ret*d south accept your declaration of war.

Since you seemed to have missed it, read the Constitution, maybe you might understand some of it. We have chosen to not be ruled by Kings, Gods, or thugs, we will rule ourselves, give aid to our neighbors, and the Bush Occupation of our country was an act of war on the United States of America, by the forces of Eurostan who have invaded New York, with intent of overthrowing our freedom to live without Eurostan Overlords.

It is not the first time, invasions were turned back in New Orleans in 1812, Washington, when the White House and Patent Office were burned, and we will drive occupied New York back into the sea.

Your King wants his property back, time to take boats back to your owners.

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