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04 Oct 2011, 9:51 am

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04 Oct 2011, 12:31 pm

That had more to do with a cold weather trend than pollutants. I'm not saying that chlorine compounds weren't a factor at all, but they wouldn't have been a factor any moreso than in recent years if last winter wasn't so cold and long up there.


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04 Oct 2011, 2:04 pm

John_Browning wrote:
That had more to do with a cold weather trend than pollutants. I'm not saying that chlorine compounds weren't a factor at all, but they wouldn't have been a factor any moreso than in recent years if last winter wasn't so cold and long up there.

I am just the messenger. You can't blame a site that talks about business as a going concern for being biased about global warming though. In my honest opinion the reason why the Ozone layer wass weak enough is human-made. Now it just sounds like it's self-feeding. This is troubling.



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04 Oct 2011, 2:33 pm

Gedrene wrote:
John_Browning wrote:
That had more to do with a cold weather trend than pollutants. I'm not saying that chlorine compounds weren't a factor at all, but they wouldn't have been a factor any moreso than in recent years if last winter wasn't so cold and long up there.

I am just the messenger. You can't blame a site that talks about business as a going concern for being biased about global warming though. In my honest opinion the reason why the Ozone layer wass weak enough is human-made. Now it just sounds like it's self-feeding. This is troubling.

Really sounds like a clash of two things - climate change and chemicals that, as the article stated, can stay in the air for up to 20 years. It sounds like the push for developing nations will be to try to fast-track them toward green energy and infrastructure, I don't know how quickly that will work for them but the impetus is building. If reasonable means of man-made CO2 reuptake could be devised it would obviously be helpful in that we could avoid the mess of needing to ill-effect industry (you note that, the places that have the best standard of living and least starvation have a reciprocal relationship with carbon footprint).


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04 Oct 2011, 3:49 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
John_Browning wrote:
That had more to do with a cold weather trend than pollutants. I'm not saying that chlorine compounds weren't a factor at all, but they wouldn't have been a factor any moreso than in recent years if last winter wasn't so cold and long up there.

I am just the messenger. You can't blame a site that talks about business as a going concern for being biased about global warming though. In my honest opinion the reason why the Ozone layer wass weak enough is human-made. Now it just sounds like it's self-feeding. This is troubling.

Really sounds like a clash of two things - climate change and chemicals that, as the article stated, can stay in the air for up to 20 years. It sounds like the push for developing nations will be to try to fast-track them toward green energy and infrastructure, I don't know how quickly that will work for them but the impetus is building. If reasonable means of man-made CO2 reuptake could be devised it would obviously be helpful in that we could avoid the mess of needing to ill-effect industry (you note that, the places that have the best standard of living and least starvation have a reciprocal relationship with carbon footprint).

I wholeheartedly agree with all of these statements. Although I must say the reason right now rich countries are 'cleaner' generally is that clean technology is just expensive. We must make it more attractive for poorer countries, or otherwise basic economics will fling us further down the rabbit hole.



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04 Oct 2011, 5:36 pm

Gedrene wrote:
I wholeheartedly agree with all of these statements. Although I must say the reason right now rich countries are 'cleaner' generally is that clean technology is just expensive. We must make it more attractive for poorer countries, or otherwise basic economics will fling us further down the rabbit hole.

Green technology will never take off until it has developed to the point it can compete in a Lassiez Faire market. We can't afford to just give such technology away unless it replaces other aid packages.


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04 Oct 2011, 10:09 pm

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Green technology will never take off until it has developed to the point it can compete in a Lassiez Faire market. We can't afford to just give such technology away unless it replaces other aid packages.

Administrations can't try to crunch the research with US tax dollars, which we'd both agree on I think, but from everything I'm hearing solar is within a few paces. I think there's reason to believe that we'll see it en force by the end of the decade. If its not the 16 to 20% cells it will be solar satellites.


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05 Oct 2011, 3:49 am

John_Browning wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
I wholeheartedly agree with all of these statements. Although I must say the reason right now rich countries are 'cleaner' generally is that clean technology is just expensive. We must make it more attractive for poorer countries, or otherwise basic economics will fling us further down the rabbit hole.

Green technology will never take off until it has developed to the point it can compete in a Lassiez Faire market. We can't afford to just give such technology away unless it replaces other aid packages.

Laissez-faire doesn't run on business enterprise alone we must remember. Infrastructure projects have been an important part of any newly industrializing nation. Railroads, motorways, telegraph lines, telephone, broadband etc etc. I just don't think it's worth shooting ourselves in the face with fossil fuels when it comes down to crunch time.



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05 Oct 2011, 11:20 am

No matter what the "viros" will blame the ozone depletion on the capitalists.

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05 Oct 2011, 11:55 am

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No matter what the "viros" will blame the ozone depletion on the capitalists.

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Viros really? Come on. Environmentalists blame global warming on greenhouse gases, not 'capitalism'. Equating environmentalists' anger with global warming as against capitalists is a surefire way to undermine capitalism, because the environment will take precedence, and then real anti-capitalists will use that to attack businesses.